Dark Magician of Chaos.

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Is the effect of "Dark Magician of Chaos" Optional??


Based on the card text, it appears so.

"When this card is Normal Summoned or Special Summoned successfully, you can add 1 Spell Card from your Graveyard to your hand. A monster that is destroyed by this monster as a result of battle is removed from play instead of going to the Graveyard. When this card is destroyed or removed from the field, it is removed from play."

But, if we go by the rule, it appears to be mandatory"¦.


When you Normal Summon or Special Summon "Dark Magician of Chaos", resolve all other effects in the current chain, then "Dark Magician of Chaos"' effect activates in a new chain as Step 1.

Isn't there a time issue with the activation of "Dark Magician of Chaos"'s effect ???
 
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As far as I know, it is optional. Just like you pointed out, the word CAN is in his card text.

Now for the ruling, I believe that is in the instance you decided to use his effect. If you didn't decide to use his effect, then you would still resolve all other effects in the current chain anyway.

Hope this helps.
 
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remember the whole you can do multiple chains. well that is talking about something similar to this.

i play premature targeting 1 monster, you play Mystical Space Typhoon, i play Call of the Haunted targetting dmoc, you then play nothing.

here is how the chain resolves.

First DMOC comes out to the field. (will you like to use the effect, certainly, BUT you cant right now because the chain is resolving, so youll be link 1 in chain 2.)

now Mystical Space Typhoon destroys premauture.

now we start chain 2.
DMOC effect, you then activate Devine wrath to negate and destroy.

if you noticed before you werent going to be allowed to do this. because just like DMOC coulndt jump in neighther could a counter trap like devine wrath.

so once Chain 2 is over all events are currently over till a series of unfortunate events starts all over. lol
 
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But since the effect of "Dark Magician of Chaos" is optional, wouldn't you lose the activation timing, since it is activating during the resolution of the chain??

Wouldn't the this case be similar to those of "Pinch Hopper" and "Peten the Dark Clown"???
 
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no cause, DMOC is DMOC and Peten is Peten.

see peten doing have the option to start a new chain, though it should, but by the time that happens its a long time from now.

but for DMOC its the only time when you can, remember since its optional you dont have to do it, but you can do it, when it is normal summoned or special summoned.

just like Sangan or Witch, they state that they can get a monster but thats not the case most of the time correct.

its a dependency issue.

like Peten its either you do do it or dont do it. but you cant take 2 actions at the same time.

See for Peten its, Do you do the effect yes, so now he goes out of play and you search, which is what you cant do in beetween a chain.

now if it was chain 2, you already missed the timing because he got sent to the graveyard a while back, his effect is emediate. or better yet at the time in which it goes to the graveyard.

but when something gets sommend then you know, stuff has to happen before the second set of events happen. which is the thing that is going on with DMOC.
 
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DMoC can Miss his timeing much like Peten can. If his hitting the field isnt the last thing Happening then He shall not recive his effect. Curtis talked about this on the Judge list. I think his Example was

Someone Uses MST on a Facedown Call of the Haunted, the Owner of Call Chains and brings back DMoC. DMoC in this case wouldnt get his effect because of him being a Optional effect, Like Peten and Gilfer. When I get a Chance I will hunt down that ruling from Curtis.
 
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This is how I see it:

When "Peten the Dark Clown"is used for a Tribute Summon, this is what happens:
  1. Peten is sent to the Graveyard, then his Trigger activates. Player wants to use its effect, so he wants to start a chain but he can't interrup the summon process, so he waits.
  2. The monster is tribute summoned.
  3. Peten then want's to start a chain, but the last thing to resolve was a monster being tribute summoned, so he missed his timming and won't start a chain anymore.
When DMoC is Special summoned in a chain: Premature -> MST -> CotH, this is what happens:
  1. CL3: DMoC is special summoned by CotH.
  2. DMoC Triggers and player wants to use his effect, but can't start a chain yet, so he waits.
  3. CL2: MST destroys Premature
  4. CL1: Premature resolves without effect
  5. Now, DMoC want's to start a chain link, but the last thing to resolve is Premature being sent to the Graveyard. So to me, he has missed his timing!
 
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It looks like you are contradicting your self??



krazykidpsx said:
its a dependency issue.

like Peten its either you do do it or dont do it. but you cant take 2 actions at the same time.

See for Peten its, Do you do the effect yes, so now he goes out of play and you search, which is what you cant do in beetween a chain.

now if it was chain 2, you already missed the timing because he got sent to the graveyard a while back, his effect is emediate. or better yet at the time in which it goes to the graveyard.
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What would make it diferen if I just say :

Like "Dark Magician Of Chaos" its either you do it or don't do it. But you can't take 2 actions at the same time.

See for "Dark Magician Of Chaos" its, Do you do the effect yes, so now you goes to the graveyard and you take a spell card, which is what you cant do in between a chain.

Now if it was chain 2, you already missed the timing because he got was summoned a while back, his effect is immediate. Or better yet at the time in which it is summoned to the field.

As you can see there's no real difference as your own example shows it.
 
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see thats the problem, were seeing one thing, but they posted another in their FAQ. thats the reason why im sick and tyred of going by peeps that read nothing but the FAQ.

yes i personally know that DMOC misses his timing, but since the rules state that once the current chain is over DMOC will start a new chain, then you know, what can we say?
 
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Yeah...we are in the same train... I would really like that Upperdeck/Konami gave us Logical rules or at least rules that does not contradict the game mechanics.


Or at the very, very least the GAME MECHANICS!!!
 
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The game is created by a single person, who's main aim is to create the cards, and not the actual game mechanics.

I do believe there was a post on the Judge's list saying the ruling was wrong.

However if Konami insists the ruling is correct than this is how it woul work:
Dark Magician of Chaos is a Mandatory trigger, and only the effect is optional (not the activation) but since its a targetting effect you would decide at activation whether or not you want to use its effect, but even if you don't use it, it is still Chain Link 1 (and can be Divine Wrathed
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
However if Konami insists the ruling is correct than this is how it woul work:
Dark Magician of Chaos is a Mandatory trigger, and only the effect is optional (not the activation) but since its a targetting effect you would decide at activation whether or not you want to use its effect, but even if you don't use it, it is still Chain Link 1 (and can be Divine Wrathed
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This is an interesting way of looking at it. Mandatory activation but optional effect. I guess this is OK, but chaining "Divine Wrath" on is is very debatable.
 
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Interestingly enough, since you mention "Mobius". Check this ruling on him:

"If "Mobius the Frost Monarch" is Tribute Summoned by the effect of "Ultimate Offering" in the middle of a chain (and is not the last step of the chain to resolve), then you have missed the timing on his effect and you cannot activate his effect to destroy 2 Spell or Trap Cards."

His text is very similar to DMoC. "When this card is summoned, you can....".
Yet a completely different ruling than DMoC.
 
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