Deck Devastation Virus Vs My Body As A Shield

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Is it possible to activate my body as shield to negate the activation of DDV?

As MBAS says,
My Body as a Shield
Quick-Play Spell
When your opponent activates a card that has the effect that destroys 1 or more monsters on the field, pay 1500 Life Points to negate the activation of the card and destroy it.

This means that I can activate MBAS if I have a monster on the field that would get destroyed by DDV's effect?

Also if I chain a card that destroys the monster that is going to be tributed for DDV's, does DDV gets negated?
 
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vt4075 said:
Is it possible to activate my body as shield to negate the activation of DDV?

As MBAS says,
My Body as a Shield
Quick-Play Spell
When your opponent activates a card that has the effect that destroys 1 or more monsters on the field, pay 1500 Life Points to negate the activation of the card and destroy it.

This means that I can activate MBAS if I have a monster on the field that would get destroyed by DDV's effect?

Also if I chain a card that destroys the monster that is going to be tributed for DDV's, does DDV gets negated?
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Yes you can chain My Body as Shield to the activation of DDV to negate it's effect.

You can't chain a card to destroy the monster that you tribute for DDV's effect because it's a cost and than it's send to the graveyard when you activate the effect.
 
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The monster tributed for Deck Devastion Virus is a cost for the effect. Cost are always payed before the activation of a card and before the effect of that card is added to the chain. Cost can NEVER be negated. (In fact Goblin of Greed is the only card I know of that PREVENTS discard costs. But it by no means negates discard costs.)

Once the cost for DDV is paid it immediatly leaves the field before DDV's effect is added to the chain. So when the next chain point comes for you to repond to, there is no monster on field for you to destroy.
 
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Yes, you can use it, its one the most vesatil cards on the game, it can stop anithing, a trap, a spell, or even a monster´s effect, it can stop, Last Turn, chaos emperor dragon (if you are playing traditional format), Cyber Jar, anything (if some one know about a card it can´t stop, please tell me), but whit a high cost, 1500 of your lp, you can consider Spell Economics, and add a bunch of spell card with cost an good effect.
 
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It cannt be activated in Damage Step, but: "¢ "My Body as a Shield" will negate cards such as "Dark Hole", "Fissure", "Raigeki", "Eternal Rest", "Nobleman of Crossout", "Tribute to The Doomed", "Thousand Knives", "Trap Hole", "Two-Pronged Attack", "Mirror Force", "House of Adhesive Tape", "Eatgaboon", "Ring of Destruction", "Torrential Tribute", "Bottomless Trap Hole", "Man-Eater Bug", "Blast Juggler", "Dragon Seeker", "Dream Clown", "Throwstone Unit", "Burst Breath", "Swarm of Scarabs", "Cyber Jar", "Tribe-Infecting Virus", "Raigeki Break", "XYZ Dragon Cannon", "Mega-Ton Magical Cannon", "Exiled Force" (negates the effect but will not destroy "Exiled Force" as it is already in the Graveyard), "Offerings to the Doomed" (negates "Offerings to the Doomed" so you do not skip your Draw Phase), "Jowgen the Spiritualist" (when its effect is activated), "Dragon's Gunfire" (if the effect that destroys a monster is selected), or "The Last Warrior from Another Planet" (negates the effect and destroys "The Last Warrior from Another Planet").

Also some I think a read some roulings that said, that send to the graveyard from the field, remove from the field to the graveyard, remove from play= destroy. Of course the cards SENT from your hand are not destroyed.
But please tell me if im mistaken.
 
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DJ,

You can use My Body as a Shield to negate and destroy Deck Devastation Virus. Just making sure you realize that.:ninja:

-chaosruler
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Yes, I realize. My answer was in response to his very last question where he asked if you could negate the activation of Deck Devastaion Virus by destroying the monster being offered for a tribute. Whch of course, he can't.

Also some I think a read some roulings that said, that send to the graveyard from the field, remove from the field to the graveyard, remove from play= destroy. Of course the cards SENT from your hand are not destroyed.
But please tell me if im mistaken
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No, the card effect taking the card of the field must actually use the word "destroy". "Send to the Graveyard", "remove from play" or "tribute" never ever equal "destroy".

Some card effects might destroy....and THEN send to the graveyard etc. But those actions do not equal "destroy" by themselves.
 
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krazykidpsx said:
any card that destroys monsters can be negated by My Body as a Shield.

and there are alot of cards that do that.

i noticed you are using the old avatar that i was using. :)
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Actually, I disagree with that. Since Deck Devastation Virus checks if monsters will be destroyed. You don't know for sure if any monsters will be destroyed or not.

I'm only basing this off of the 3rd ruling My Body as a Shield has.
 
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Hmm, I think its a little tricky. MBAAS _will_ work when Raigeki Break is activated and a monster on the field is targeted.

I would wager that you could use MBAAS against Deck Devastation Virus if there is a monster with an attack of 1500 or less on your side of the field, because at that point, we do know that a monster will be destroyed.

But you bring up a really going point Tkwiget about all the other instances since you don't know if a monster will be destroyed or not within the next 3 turns.
 
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Yay!..Tkwiget is right on the money!

I would say it would depend on the battle positions of the 'affected' mosters, similar to "Barrel Behind the Door" vs. "Ceasefire".

If all monsters are face-down, then you would not be able to chain "My Body as a Shield" even if YOU know YOU have a monster that WILL be destroyed by "Deck Devastation Virus". The Reasoning is simple, the 'GAME' doesn't know at the activation of "Deck Devastation Virus" that ANY monsters are going to be destroyed.

Now, if you had at least 1 monster face-up that had an ATK of 1500 or less when "Deck Devastation Virus" was activated, then YES, you could chain "My Body as a Shield" at that time because the 'GAME' knows there will be at least 1 monster destroyed at that time.

Hope this helps!
 
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then arnt you right.

basically, the card only negates cards that will actually destroy and it is given that itll destroy a monster(s).


it can only negate cards that are in its spell speed boundry.

so only 2 and lower can be negated. that you know will certanly destroy.

difference between tribe and ddv is that you oviously know itll destroy because it calls it out.

now, for DDV, the destruction occours after it has checked everything, you could say that you know itll destroy something if its face up, but at the same time if instead of face up it were face down, then your opponent would know but you would.

hence there is a bit of question here.

can DDV get negated? well if we know that it will destroy, i would belive that yes, you as the opposing player knows if there will be a monster destroyed.

but there are other that say other wise, what is the reason for no?

i just want to know.
 
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Wow, and I'm extremely tired right now too you guys. xD


I just looked up My Body as a Shield and read some rulings. Wanted to check on something that it could do and the question in this thread jumped out at me. It said that you can't activate it if you don't know if the card you chain it to will destroy a monster or not. =/ Just thought that the ruling was valid here. Glad I found something useful in my exhausted state. xD

EDIT: The reason I think it will be negated is because of the ruling My Body as a Shield has that are under the 3rd ruling it has.

I believe someone stated that face down monsters don't have any statisitics until they're flipped face up. Another reason why I think DDV will be negated. However I could just be wasting everyone's time. =/
 
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If you read MBAS a little bit more carefully

it's says when your monsters on the field. It's just that I wanted to know. Of course it can't negate DDV later effects if it already missed the timing or at the momen of activation there wasn't any monsters on the field
 
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The 'KEY' card in that 3rd ruling is "Acid Trap Hole". If my opponent activates "Acid Trap Hole" and I KNOW my monster is going to be destroyed, I still CANNOT chain "My Body as a Shield" because the 'GAME' doesn't know the stats of MY monster because it is FACE-DOWN at the activation of "Acid Trap Hole".

"Acid Trap Hole" must check the monster before it can determine if it will be destroyed or not.

"Deck Devastation Virus" must check the face-down monsters before it can determine which ones will or won't be destroyed.
 
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There's a difference between negating the effect and "fizzling" the effect, including the tribe case. If your opponent activates tribe, calls out "fiends" and you chain with DNA Surgery changing all the monsters to spellcasters, or they chain Book of Moon to flip their only fiend face down, then the effect has been "fizzled" and not really negated in the formal sense.

A formal negation would be something from the likes of Magic Jammer, Seven Tools, or MBAAS in this case.

And in skey's example, you have the activation vs. the resolution principle. At activation, there is a monster with an ATK of 1500 or less, which is effectively making things possible for MBAAS to be chained. However, you could just as easily chain a Rush Recklessly to protect that monster for the duration of the turn, provided the boost put them over the 1500 mark.
 
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So was I onto something or am I wasting your guy's time?

=/ I feel that I'm onto something but too tired to really get into an agruement. xD


The point that Skey made with Acid Trap Hole is a pretty good one. It can't determine if the monster will be destroyed or not so My Body as a Shield can't chain to it. So, I'm assuming it depends on the position of the monsters. =/
 
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