Des Wombat VS Ceasefire
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chaosruler
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No, as Des Wombat's effect is applied as soon as it is face-up and the chain step during which it was flipped up has fully resolved, and Ceasefire is trying to inflict damage, but Des Wombat's effect isn't active yet, so Ceasefire laughs at Des Wombat and inflicts damage.
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John Danker
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chaosruler said:
Are you certain about that? When there is a face down Jinzo on the field and Ceasefire is activated Ceasefire resolves and inflicts effect damage. (If I'm remembering the ruling correctly...please correct me if I'm wrong) With that in mind it would stand to reason that Des Wombat's continuous effect would not become active until after the resolution of Ceasefire.
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densetsu_x said:
Exactly. This is a very good game mechanics lesson and one that we should restate often. It clears up a number of odd questions and situations. Thanks for stating the game mechanic.
The mechanic is correct in its logic.
however, as a nitpick i wouldn't use the word "activate" as it would seem "active" would be more accurate.
"activate" implies a chain point from a mechanical point of view. So replace "activate" with "active" and its perfect.
however, as a nitpick i wouldn't use the word "activate" as it would seem "active" would be more accurate.
"activate" implies a chain point from a mechanical point of view. So replace "activate" with "active" and its perfect.
But there are continuous trap cards that activate that don't use the chain too. You know the lot of them, no need to relist them (again).
If I had Des Wombat face down, my opponent activated Ceasefire, and I chained Desert Sunlight - this would achieve the desired protection n'est ce pas?
Yes it would since Desert Sunlight would resolve first, flipping Des Wombat face up. That effect would activate in-between links of the chain and thereby protect you from damage.
Clarification. Why? because it alludes to the point Dillio was getting at.densetsu_x said:
All Continuous Trap Card's require activation, and that always uses the chain.
But those that have Manually Activated effects or Triggers, require a seperate chain (afterwords) to be activated and resolve in.
It is a very important point, and illustrates why the word "activate" should never be used for continuous effects.
Cards and Manual or Triggered Effects "activate.
Continuous Effects never "activate" they are/become "active" as soon as the card that generates them resolves into play face-up. That includes Monsters and Spell/Traps.
Perhaps it is a little clearer that way yet everyone I know still uses the term "activate" to describe everything. Kinda like the way "Level" is used for more than a half-dozen things in AD&D.
Well, but Jinzo's effect doesn't become active until Ceasefire is resolving, so it can't negate the effect of Ceasefire. However, Des Wombat doesn't reduce damage to 0 until after the effect resolves, so it would seem that Des Wombat would reduce the damage to 0.
daivahataka
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If the effect of Ceasefire has resolved then the damage has already been inflicted, Des Wombat can't affect damage inflicted before his effect came into play.babyarm said:
Well, but when Ceasefire resolves, Des Wombat is flipped up, then when damage is done, Des Wombat is face up and its effect would reduce the damage to 0.
daivahataka
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Des Wombat's effect can't come into play as it was only flipped up during the resolution of Ceasefire, as such Ceasefire has to finish resolving before Des Wombat's effect can resolve into play.babyarm said:
John Danker
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Des Wombat's effect can't become active in the middle of a resolution of an effect. Once the current effect resolves, then Des Wombat becomes active.