Divine Wrath vs....spirit reaper or v Lord

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Divine Wrath vs Spirit Reaper:

Can Divine Wrath be used against spirit reaper's second effect of causing the opponent to discard from their hand? I assume divine wrath cannot be used against spirit reaper's first effect of not being destroyed in battle.

Divine Wrath vs. Vampire Lord:

I assume you can use Divine Wrath against V Lord's first effect (forcing your opponent to discard a card from his deck.) I also believe that it will come back on my next turn (correct me if I am wrong). How about the second effect when V. Lord returns to the field on my next standby phase. If my opponent activates Divine Wrath this negates the effect and destroys V Lord. Is it correct that he would not come back on my next standby phase?
 
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Spirit Reaper could be destroyed at that point in the same way that Airknight can be destroyed by Divine Wrath.

Vampire Lord would be destroyed and this would satisfy the requirement for Vampire Lord's effect. It would return next Standby Phase.
 
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I am not sure I understand why V Lord would come back on my next turn. As far as I understand, if V. Lord does not come back during the standby phase of the turn after it is destroyed, then it misses the timing for its effect and cannot return on the next turn.

If V. Lord tries to come back during my standby phase and my opponent activates Divine Wrath, wouldn't that negate V Lord's effect for that turn. At that point it will have missed the timing of its effect and would not be able to return on the next turn. If I am missing something please let me know.
 
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Divine Wrath destroys a card. That satisfies the effect of Vampire Lord. It doesn't matter that it did not hit the field. All that matters is that Vampire Lord was destroyed. For further reference, look at Chain Destruction vs. Vampire Lord. While it is an unlikely situation, if Chain Destruction 'hits' and destroys a Vampire Lord in the opponent's Deck or Hand, that Vampire Lord will be Special Summoned.
 
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The part I am having trouble with is the fact that Divine Wrath doesn't just destroy Vampire Lord - it also negates its effect. It would seem to me that if it negates the effect, then it never happened. Therefore V. Lord never came back in the first place and shouldn't be able to return on my next turn.
 
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I believe that cards in the graveyard may not be destroyed.

But irregardless:

Vampire Lord must be sent to the graveyard as well. If it never left the graveyard its effect cannot be triggered. (you can't send a card to the graveyard if it's in the graveyard)
 
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Follow up question:

Is Divine Wrath's negation ability the same as how Dark Ruler Ha Des' negation ability?

I mean if Ha Des kills Sinister Serpent, SS won't come back because his effect is negated. If Vampire Lord inflicts LP damage and Divine Wrath is chained to the Trigger Effect, DW negates his effect. Is the negation continuous, or only on that instance?
 
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I messed up on Divine Wrath v. Vampire Lord because I forgot about the Send to the Graveyard part.

As for Divine Wrath compared to Dark Ruler Ha Des, that's still waiting for an answer on the judge board.
 
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◇「キラー・スネーク」を「天罰」で無効にできるが、無効にしてもそのスタンバイフェイズで「キラー・スネーク」は再度効果発動できる。（結局意味なし）

IF I'm interpreting it correctly, it says that in Heaven's Punishment VS Killer Snake aka Sinister Serpent, you can activate the effect again but...? it is invalid?
 
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Raigekick said:
Follow up question:

Is Divine Wrath's negation ability the same as how Dark Ruler Ha Des' negation ability?

I mean if Ha Des kills Sinister Serpent, SS won't come back because his effect is negated. If Vampire Lord inflicts LP damage and Divine Wrath is chained to the Trigger Effect, DW negates his effect. Is the negation continuous, or only on that instance?
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Probably not...it will negate the resolution of the effect chained to, but will not linger like Dark Ruler's negation.
 
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Dlanaan said:
I messed up on Divine Wrath v. Vampire Lord because I forgot about the Send to the Graveyard part.

As for Divine Wrath compared to Dark Ruler Ha Des, that's still waiting for an answer on the judge board.
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Even still you cannot destroy cards in the Graveyard or Removed from Play.
 
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StRiKe_NiNjA said:
Divine Wrath cannot be activated in response to Dark Ruler Ha Des's effect. It's effect is continuous.
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Sorry but you miss understood. We are not trying to use Divine Wrath on Ha Des. We were just comparing if they have the same negation effect.
 
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Raigekick said:
You can remove cards from the Graveyard from Play. Card like Soul Release will remove monsters in the Graveyard from play.
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Yea, but i was specifically refering Divine Wrath trying to negate an effect being activated from a monster card already in the Graveyard.
 
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novastar said:
Yea, but i was specifically refering Divine Wrath trying to negate an effect being activated from a monster card already in the Graveyard.
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But you can activate Divine Wrath on Witch of the Black Forest's Graveyard Trigger Effect.
 
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Oh lol. My bad.

Like how Dark Ruler Ha Des vs Sinister Serpent, but, Sinister Serpent stays in the graveyard.

Compared to...

How Divine Wrath vs Serpent Serpent, how Sinister Serpent doesn't return this stabnd-by phase but its effect activates next standby phase.

Kind of question?

Ah i see, i got the answer. There negations work like this, i maybe wrong.

When Dark Ruler Ha Des or another face-up "fiend sub-type" destroys a monster in battle, the negation of the effect of the effect monster destroyed in battle remains negated and it will "linger" until the actual "position" of the "actual" card is placed elsewhere, so the effect of the monster card is reset

What that means is:

Like if you were Premature Burial a Sinister Serpent in your graveyard when it's effect is negated and it's placed on the field, it's effect returns. (change the actual position of the card to reset the effect)

Divine Wrath, i dont know its a one time thing. Not sure how this card entirely works i still find it confusing. It negates Sinister Serpent for 1 Standby Phase then Sinister Serpent's effect trigger agen during the next stand-by phase.
 
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novastar said:
Yea, but i was specifically refering Divine Wrath trying to negate an effect being activated from a monster card already in the Graveyard.
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Your negating an "effect" when it activates.

Where the card is placed after Divine Wrath resolves influences nothing.
 
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I think that Dark Ruler continuously negates an effect.
So if it destroys the Sinister it will stay in the Graveyard.

Divine is a one-time-negation, at least in my eyes.... ^^
The Sinister has an optional Trigger Effect... so this effect is negated one-time and it will be able to return in your next Standby Phase.

just my 2 cents

soul :cool:
 
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