Exiled Force Question

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Let's say Player A Normal Summons Exiled Force successfully. Player B responds to the Summon with Trap Hole. Does Player A have priority to Tribute Exiled Force to destroy a monster? Or since Exiled Force is already going to be destroyed, its effect cannot be used?
 
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The turn player has priority to activate Exiled's effect and tribute itself before it can be Trap Holed.

Nowadays the "proper" way to do things as the turn player would be to Normal Summon Exiled and immediately declare that you are using your priority to activate Exiled's effect.

Similarly, if you are not the turn player and your opponent simply summons Exiled Force and says nothing, you would ask "Are you going to activate Exiled's effect?" If they say "No, not right now" they have effectively passed their priority, in which you can now respond with Trap Hole and the turn player has lost the opportunity to use Exiled's effect, since they cannot chain to Trap Hole.

This does seem a little tedious, but the priority issue has been a big issue for a while now and it's always under some form of confusion.

Remember. PLAYERS get priority, not cards.
 
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Dillie-O said:
The turn player has priority to activate Exiled's effect and tribute itself before it can be Trap Holed.

Nowadays the "proper" way to do things as the turn player would be to Normal Summon Exiled and immediately declare that you are using your priority to activate Exiled's effect.

Similarly, if you are not the turn player and your opponent simply summons Exiled Force and says nothing, you would ask "Are you going to activate Exiled's effect?" If they say "No, not right now" they have effectively passed their priority, in which you can now respond with Trap Hole and the turn player has lost the opportunity to use Exiled's effect, since they cannot chain to Trap Hole.

This does seem a little tedious, but the priority issue has been a big issue for a while now and it's always under some form of confusion.

Remember. PLAYERS get priority, not cards.
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They haven't passed their priority YET.

Because if they still have another monster they can use their priority on (like Cannon Soldier or something), they can still use their priority on the other monster or one of the other monsters.
 
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Are you sure on that one Chillout?

Last I checked. Priority gave the turn player the ability to activate spell speed 1 effects of a monster they just summoned, not any monster of theirs on the field. Similarly, The turn player does not have the ability to claim priority and activate a spell card immediately after the summoning of a monster, the opponent must be given the chance to respond.

I'll admit that 99% of the time people are looking to priority as a way to let their Exiled Force do its thing before it gets Trap Holed, so I'm a little rusty on being able to activate a different monsters effect claiming priority.
 
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Exiled Force vs Torrential Tribute

Hello

Sorry to belabour the point... I understand Exiled Force's cost issue with cards such as Trap Hole. However, I must ask how Exiled goes against Torrential Tribute.

This happened to me the other day when I summoned Exiled and the opponent responded with TT. I insisted that I wanted to use Exiled's cost effect first which would make TT an non-valid play since there was no newly-summoned monster on the field to respond to.

The judge didn't agree and I lost the duel where I would otherwise have won.

Thoughts?
Thanks
Wizit
 
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You were correct. Priority retained by you as the summoning player you enables you to activate Exiled's effect before the opponent can respond. Although there is no such thing as a cost effect; the proper term is ignition effect.

-pssvr
 
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Ok, let's say there are 3 other monsters on the field, and you summon "Exiled Force", with the intent on using it's effect to destroy 1 of your opponent's monsters. Your opponent activates "Torrential Tribute" in response to the summon w/o giving you the opportunity to 'use your priority'. They actually can't do this, it's technically not a legal move. So what happens is this. A game-state 'rewind' occurs back to the summoning of "Exiled Force", this means that "Torrential Tribute" gets put back face-down as if it were never activated. You, as the Turn Player can now 'use your priority' and declare the activation of "Exiled Force"s effect. The cost is paid immediately and "Exiled Force" get's put into the Graveyard, and you choose which monster you want to destroy. Now, your opponent can chain to "Exiled Force"s effect with an Appropriate card. "Torrential Tribute" qualifies because the last thing to have 'resolved' in the game was the summon of "Exiled Force" so the timing is still correct. It doesn't matter that "Exiled Force" is no longer on the field because "Torrential Tribute" does not target, it simply destroys the field.

So the chain gets built like this:
"Exiled Force" -> "Torrential Tribute"

Resolve in reverse order:
"Torrential Tribute" -> "Exiled Force"

So "Torrential Tribute" destroys all remaining monsters on the field. Then "Exiled Force"s effect attempts to resolve, but since the targetted monster is no longer on the field, the effect simply 'fizzles' or resolves w/o effect.

Hope this helps.
 
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Exiled vs TT

Sorry skey23 but I will disagree at the risk of sounding dumb.

My understanding of Exiled is that I as the turn player have priority to pay the cost (ignition effect - thanks to pssvr) before anything else occurs. So I do that and tribute Exiled for another monster. My opponent cannot therefore respond to the summon because there is no monster on the field to respond to.

Am I right or wrong?

Thanks
Wizit
 
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Unfortunately, in this case, you are not correct. Just because "Exiled Force" is no longer on the field, that doesn't change the fact that the last thing to successfully resolve was the summoning of a monster. That means the timing is still correct to respond to the summoning of the monster. And since "Torrential Tribute" does not target "Exiled Force", then it CAN be chained to the activation of "Exiled Force"s effect because the timing is still correct.

Now, had your opponent attempted to use "Trap Hole", or "Book of Moon" on "Exiled Force", then that would not be possible because "Exiled Force" would already have been in the Graveyard by the time they could chain to his effect.
 
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d4rkn355 said:
exiled has priority to kill a monster just like breaker has priority to get his token, even thought that doesn't matter anymore since ring is banned
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Lets also remind everyone that it's impossible for a monster to ever have priority. Only players have priority. Not the monsters. And yes it makes a huge difference.

Let me also point out that Breaker the Magical Warrior doesn't get a token. Tokens are Normal Monster Cards generated by game effects. Breaker gets a Spell Counter. And Breaker's effect has nothing to do with priority per se. His effect is manditory and triggers upon a succesful summon.

As a result, priority is passed to your opponent and he's allowed to chain to that effect. He sort of "uses up" your priority when Normal Summoned.

Regardless, I'm curious as to what Ring being banned has to do with it not mattering anymore?
 
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Unfortunately, in this case, you are not correct. Just because "Exiled Force" is no longer on the field, that doesn't change the fact that the last thing to successfully resolve was the summoning of a monster. That means the timing is still correct to respond to the summoning of the monster.
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wait what???? wouldnt the last thing to resolve be the destruction of said monster targeted by exiled????

that completely ruins the timing.....

anyway i hate this cards text!!!!

offer FACE UP THIS CARD?????????????? THATS SO DUMB!

and the ring thing was because people would respond to breakers summon with ring and it was required to know how much damage is dealt to the players lp... 300 lp can decide a game!!!
 
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Whoaaaa!!! You're forgetting that Exiled Force's effect would go on the chain as chain link 1 and whatever you chained with would be chain link 2. If it were Torrential Tribute, then it would destroy any monsters on the field, and Exiled Force's effect would resolve without destroying a monster.

Soooo, the timing is missed only because there is no more monsters, not because of the chain link involved.
 
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ChaosEmperor12 said:
wait what???? wouldnt the last thing to resolve be the destruction of said monster targeted by exiled????

that completely ruins the timing.....
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Most certainly not. The last thing to resolve is the Normal Summon of Exiled Force. Exiled's effect is still on the chain and unresolved. This is the whole reason you can chain to the effect of Exiled in the first place. You can only chain to unresolved effects.
 
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skey23 said:
The turn player retains priority to activate ANY of their monster's Ignition Effects one time, before the opponent can respond.

This is why if I summon "Sinister Serpent" with "Cannon Soldier" already face-up on the field, I can 'use my priority' and activate "Cannon Soldier"s effect to launch the "Sinister Serpent" before my opponent can respond with "Torrential Tribute".
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Did someone miss this? I though that a turn player get priority with a monsters ignition effect, if it was Normal summoned, not if its already on the field.
 
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That is a mistake, derived from the miscontstrued concept that monster cards have priority upon their summoning. The player and the player alone retains priority after a summon, to activate any igntion effects he or she pleases. And while I seem to be on a roll with big words, "pickle!"

-pssvr
 
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