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jdos
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It is a targetting effect. http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=4328#4328Raigekick said:
StRiKe_NiNjA
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Brain Jacker, the monster effect card itself becomes an Equip Spell card upon resolution. If you were to chain Book of Moon to the flip summon of Brain Jacker, it can't resolve correctly.
Brain Jacker must be face-up upon resolution, not only to become an Equip Spell card, but to correctly target, be placed into the Spell/Trap Zones and gain control of 1 opposing monster.
Brain Jacker must be face-up upon resolution, not only to become an Equip Spell card, but to correctly target, be placed into the Spell/Trap Zones and gain control of 1 opposing monster.
benearn919
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BURN said:
Brain Jacker is moved to the S/T zone at the resolution of its effect. If it is flipped face down the effect it cannot resolve properly like DaGuyWitBluGlasses stated.
chaosruler
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cha-ching, i couldn't have said it better myself 
also, i said that too, about improper resolution, just before daguy entered and backed me up, i think
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also, i said that too, about improper resolution, just before daguy entered and backed me up, i think
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chaosruler
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well, you would lose having Brain Jacker as a monster, so then you have an empty zone.
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And just to throw in my two cents again to the discussion, there is actualy little difference between Brain Jacker and other FILP Effect Monsters.
When Penguin Soldier is attacked, flipped, destroyed by battle and attempts to resolve, can Penguin Soldier select itself to return to it's owners hand? No because it is destroyed and no longer a legal target.
If Man-Eater Bug is attacked, flipped, destroyed by battle and attempts to resolve can it target itself as the card to destroy through it's effect? No because it already destroyed by battle and is no longer a legal target.
If Dark Cat with White Tail is attacked, flipped, destroyed by battle and attempts to resolve can it select itself as one of the cards to return to the owners hand? No, because it is destroyed and if it is the only monster on your side of the field his effect dissapears because the requirements for the effect to resolve could not be met.
That said, If Brain Jacker is attacked, flipped, destroyed by battle and attempts to resolve can it equip itself to a monster on the other side of the field. No because it is destroyed and no longer a legal target for it's own effect.
If it wasn't destroyed and you flip it back face-down through an effect before the effect of Brain Jacker resolves then, similarly as with Dark Cat with White Tail, the requirements for an equip card to equip itself have not been met and the effect dissapears.
TER and Relinquished are bad examples, and cannot be used to say that equip cards can be equipped face-down. It has never been ruled that equip cards can be equipped face-down. The only thing that was ruled was that these two paticular monsters can equip certain cards to themselves face-down. But that never changed the basic Game Mechanic for equips.
When Penguin Soldier is attacked, flipped, destroyed by battle and attempts to resolve, can Penguin Soldier select itself to return to it's owners hand? No because it is destroyed and no longer a legal target.
If Man-Eater Bug is attacked, flipped, destroyed by battle and attempts to resolve can it target itself as the card to destroy through it's effect? No because it already destroyed by battle and is no longer a legal target.
If Dark Cat with White Tail is attacked, flipped, destroyed by battle and attempts to resolve can it select itself as one of the cards to return to the owners hand? No, because it is destroyed and if it is the only monster on your side of the field his effect dissapears because the requirements for the effect to resolve could not be met.
That said, If Brain Jacker is attacked, flipped, destroyed by battle and attempts to resolve can it equip itself to a monster on the other side of the field. No because it is destroyed and no longer a legal target for it's own effect.
If it wasn't destroyed and you flip it back face-down through an effect before the effect of Brain Jacker resolves then, similarly as with Dark Cat with White Tail, the requirements for an equip card to equip itself have not been met and the effect dissapears.
TER and Relinquished are bad examples, and cannot be used to say that equip cards can be equipped face-down. It has never been ruled that equip cards can be equipped face-down. The only thing that was ruled was that these two paticular monsters can equip certain cards to themselves face-down. But that never changed the basic Game Mechanic for equips.
No, the effect will still resolve correctly. "Brain Jacker" will become an Equip Spell Card and takes control of the targeted monster, but since you don't have a free monster zone slot, that controled monster will be destroyed by Game Mechanics and send to the Graveyard it belongs to, then "Brain Jacker" as an Equip Spell Card will be destroyed by Game Mechanic because it does not have a legal target anymore.BURN said:
EDIT: Lets look at a different scenario. Let's say your S/T zone is full and your monster zone is also full. When "Brain Jacker" resolves, it tires to become an equip spell card, but since there is no more room in the S/T zone, it is simply sent to the Graveyard. The targeted monster was never equiped with and never switch control, so it stays safely in your opponent's side of the field.
chaosruler
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Raigekick - if you're flipping Brain Jacker, then when he becomes a Spell Card, won't you free up a monster zone?
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chaosruler
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as far as Brain Jacker needing to be face-up, Equip Spell Cards that are put f/d are allowed to be flipped up, because that is their "nature". Brain Jacker needs to be face-up, because he has to be face-up to resolve properly, if you can't wrap your mind around that...
Konami ga sou itterukara!!!!
lol
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Konami ga sou itterukara!!!!
lol
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Your missing the point. Brain Jackers effect is what turns him into a spell card. Face-down he has no effect. Face-down he simply a face-down monster with no stats or effects. He cannot exist face-down in the Spell/Trap Zone anymore than a Trap card can exist face-down in the Monster Zones. And remeber Relinquished is a bad example. It's Relinquished effect that turns the face-down card into an equip and not the equipped card itself. The equipped card has no effect. Brain Jacker is equipping itself and does indeed have an effect and, as just stated, has to be face-up to get it. And part of that effect is being treated as a Spell Card.BURN said:
chaosruler
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i like my explanation better, the one in big print lol
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And to add to Chaosrulers statement:chaosruler said:
SINE YOUR PIDDIE ON THE RUNNY KINE!
Raigekick said:This is very imaginative of you to come up with this scenario. It does not work, but putting "Brain Jacker" in a S/T zone face down is very inventive in your part
Thank you. But I don't understand how some effects work with BoM and some don't. And that nowhere does it say that Brain Jacker has to be face up to get it's effect after it was flipped face down.
TER: Select 1 monster on your opponent's side of the field and equip it to this card (Is the card equiped considered a monster or an equiped card). The ATK and DEF of this card become the same amounts as the monster equipped to this card.
Brain Jacker: Equip this card to a monster on your opponent's side of the field and treat it as an Equip Card
Can Brain Jacker take control of a face down monster? I doesn't say it can't.
If you take control of a Stealth Bird can you flipp the bird face down then back up since you have control of the bird?
Treat "Brain Jacker" as if it was "Snatch Steal" when it comes to ruling. If the attatched monster you stole is flipped face-down, it will remain on your side of the field.
When "Brain Jacker" is flipped face-down with "Book of Moon" on CL2, then his effect is CL1, when his effect resolves, the effect can't see "Brain Jacker" anymore in the field because he is face-down, no effect, and no stat. So, it resolves without effect.
When "Brain Jacker" is flipped face-down with "Book of Moon" on CL2, then his effect is CL1, when his effect resolves, the effect can't see "Brain Jacker" anymore in the field because he is face-down, no effect, and no stat. So, it resolves without effect.