King Dragun's effect and cards that do/do not target

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OK, my son and I had a discussion about King Dragun's effect, which lead me to second guess my assumptions. The discussion revolved around cards that target and cards that dont. King Dragun's text reads:
"As long as this card remains face-up on the field, your opponent cannot target Dragon-Type monsters for the effect of a Spell, Trap, or Monster Card."
First I am wondering if there is an official or unoffical list of cards that do/don't target.
Second, here is a few cards that I think do:
Snatch Steal
Change of Heart
Sakuretsu Armor
Ring of Destruction
Magic Cylinder
Trap Hole
Man-Eater Bug
Archfiend of Gilfer
Dark Necrofear
Nobleman-Eater Bug
Dark Jeroid
Newdoria
Equip spell cards

Cards that dont:
Dark Hole
Mirror Force
Raigeki
Torrential Tribute
DD Warrior Lady
Penguin Soldier
Smashing Ground
Bottomless Trap Hole

I know there are more but these are all I could think of off the top of my head. Please correct me if I am wrong and also direct me to list.
 
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Penguin Soldier does target sir.

I dont think there currently is a list, but usaully a card that will say target one, choose 1, etc.. stuff like that will usually target. Not to mention all equips and most traps that target.

we also have quick plays that target as well like Order to Charge, but that targets your stuff.

preaty much, its anything your opponent uses to choose a specific card. not a set of cards.

Mind Control targets too. :)
 
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OK, so then as a rule of thumb, if the card states that "a monster" or "one monster" on your opponents side of the field..., then that card targets. Because here is where the confusion starts: I recently read on another web page (not pojo) that DD Warrior Lady does not target. To me, it does, but this is why I am asking. Does this mean DD Assailant also does not target? What about Hade-Hane, which reads "..up to 3 monsters"?
 
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Hade-Hane does target.

but the D. D.'s do not target because they are effects that just happen, you dont choose with them, when they are put in the situation they ask for, its your choice to decide were the monsters will end up.

thats why they do not target. :)

it seems odd, BUT if you look at the rulings of D. D. Warrior Lady vs. Archfiends you will notice that the archfiends dont get the die roll because the warrior lady doesnt specifically designate it as the target.

its just an event that happens.

were as if a monster says choose one, etc.. then yea.

its like, okay,

Man Eater bug.

Choose 1 monster on the field

now lets look at warrior lady


When this card battles with your opponent's monster, after damage calculation you can remove the opponent's monster and this card from play.


notice how in both effect are written up differently.

1 of them states a situation were the other just says Choose 1.

D. D. doesnt say Select a monster. it says that after damage calculation when it battles an opponents monster you can remove both from play.

assailant and Yomi Ship are the same way, they do not target.

because its events that just happens. you can / cant control it.
 
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Magic Cylinder and Sakuretsu do target since it's entirely optional as to which attacking monster you activate them against and the target is chosen there and then.

Or if you want proof from the rulings the fact that using Book of Moon to flip the monster you declared the attack with face down in a chain with Magic Cylinder will prevent you from taking any LP damage since it cannot reference the monster's Atk, if it were non-targeting the monster, whose Atk is to be referenced, wouldn't be chosen until resolution.
 
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Hey, for extra clarity on why DDWL doesn't target, it removes whatever monster it battles with, if you so choose, so ANY monster that it battles with that doesn't negate it will be effected, again, if you choose

-chaosruler
 
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I don't see the difference between DD lady and Cylinder.
You do not choose the target when you activate it in both case since it only affects the monster that attacks (or is attacked by DD lady).
 
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well here's a list of targetting and non targetting cards, that was posted on the judge list


Targeting:
--monsters--
Exiled Force
Abyss Soldier
Zaborg the Thunder Monarch
Mobius the Frost Monarch
Penguin Soldier
Man-Eater Bug
Hane Hane
Magician of Faith
Mask of Darkness

--spells--
Change of Heart
Snatch Steal
Salvage
Dark Factory of Mass Production
Soul Exchange
Mystical Space Typhoon
Mind Control
Enemy Controller
Nobleman of Crossout
Nobleman of Extermination
Book of Life
Monster Reborn
Premature Burial
Rush Recklessly
Soul Release
Mask of Dispel
Tribute to the Doomed

--traps--
Magic Cylinder
Trap Hole
Nightmare Wheel
Michizure
Sakuretsu Armor
Compulsory Evacuation Device
Dust Tornado
Ring of Destruction
Destruction Ring
Interdimensional Matter Transporter
Call of the Haunted
Phoenix Wing Wind Blast
Graverobber
Raigeki Break

Non-Targeting

--monsters--
Tribe-Infecting Virus
Levia-Dragon - Daedalus
Cyber Jar
Fiber Jar
D.D. Warrior Lady
D.D. Assailant
Lava Golem
Sasuke Samurai
4-Starred Ladybug of Doom
Kuriboh

--spells--
Dark Hole
Raigeki
Lightning Vortex
Heavy Storm
Harpies Feather Duster
Giant Trunade
Emergency Provisions
Smashing Ground
Fissure
Hammer Shot
Level Limit - Area B
Monster Gate
Reasoning
Creature Swap
Level Up!
Metamorphosis
Eternal Rest
Swords of Revealing Light

--traps--
Mirror Force
Bottomless Trap Hole
Torrential Tribute
Windstorm of Etaqua
Deck Devastation Virus
Gravity Bind
Lightforce Sword
Curse of Anubis
 
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I think UDE can make our life easyer if the put on the targeting cards text "select a card" or "choose a card", even the simple word "targeting" (like "flip") or something like that or even a symbol (like the equip, continuos, counter symbols), on the targeting cards or viceversa for the non-targeting cards. Not a list you have to consult to play them correctly. I know a lot of them has this text but not all. Those are the tricky ones
 
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