Magical Hats vs. Kozaky's Self-Destruct Button

[Deathjester]

If I placed a face-down Kozaky's Self-Destruct Button on the field by the effect of Magical Hats and it's destroyed at the end of the Battle Phase, will I take the damage from KSDB's effect? I'm guessing there would be no damage inflicted because KSDB was involuntarily destroyed; I didn't actually choose to destroy it.

On a related note, since the effects of Statue of the Wicked and Dark Coffin activate in the Graveyard, will they still work if they were chosen for the effect of Magical Hats and destroyed at the end of the Battle Phase?

 

[Digital Jedi]

I'm going to say yes to all of those since they only have to be destroyed as a set card. Also , Magical Hats doesn't say the cards selected are treated as Normal Monsters or non-effect monsters (monsters with no effect) so this paticular effect should become active. Any contradicting thoughts?

 

[Dlanaan]

Sounds about right. Of course, if Kozaky's Self-Destruct Button were flipped before being destroyed (say by battle), the effect wouldn't go off.

 

[Deathjester]

Contradicting thought -

The fact that KSDB's text says "Inflict 1000 points of damage to the Life Points of the player who destroyed this Set card." A player chooses to destroy the set card, which turns out to be KSDB, and the damage from it is inflicted.

So if it's destroyed at the end of the Battle Phase because of Magical Hats, it's not because a player chose to destroy it; it was destroyed because it had to be. So the effect shouldn't work in that case.

 

[Digital Jedi]

It's not a matter of choice. Its a matter of who controlled the effect that destroyed them. In this case if Kozaky's Self-Destruct Button survived to the end of the Battle Phase (without getting flipped) then whoever controlled the effect of Magical Hats takes the damage.

 

[John Danker]

Please forgive me for going just a bit off topic in this post.

I revisit the subject of Magical Hats now and again, it seems like with every new set I always see new possibilities for it's use.

This thread with Magical Hats and the popularity of Nobleman of Crossout got me to thinking though.

Nobleman of Crossout targets a face down monster, not a zone, so, if Magical Hats were chained to Nobleman of Crossout (we know that you can shuffle the two new S/T (temporary monsters) from Magical Hats effect with the choosen monster card......you see where this is going. I'm assuming Nobleman of Crossout "follows" the monster it targeted at activation?

Anyone have any enlightenment on me for this one?

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

Won't work.

You can only use Magical Hats during your opponent's Battle Phase.

But yeah you must truthfully declare the targetted monster (if you replace Nobleman of Crossout with Offerings to the Doomed). We get that from the Nightmare Wheel ruling. (Well maybe not "declare" your opponent will obviously see if you destroy a spell or trap card instead)

 

[John Danker]

Doohhh! <slapping himself in the forehead> That's right....I KNEW it had been a long time since I revisited Magical Hats! <laffin at myself>

Thanks for the reminder DaGuyWitBluGlasses

 

[chaosruler]

Won't work.

You can only use Magical Hats during your opponent's Battle Phase.

But yeah you must truthfully declare the targetted monster (if you replace Nobleman of Crossout with Offerings to the Doomed). We get that from the Nightmare Wheel ruling. (Well maybe not "declare" your opponent will obviously see if you destroy a spell or trap card instead)

if they all go face-down, you better play ceasfire before using Offerings to the Doomed, or you're making an illegal play, as OttD can only destroy face-ups. >>

-chaosruler

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

aaarggghh its contagious!

 

[Digital Jedi]

Danker-itis. It's flu season dontchaknow. Man, I pic on John waaay too much. He's got more years in this game then I'll ever have.

 

[Raijinili]

Cards on the field:

DNA Surgery (Machine)
2 Face-Up Monsters
Heavy Mech Support Platform on one of the monsters
Desert Sunlight (set)
Tailor of the Fickle (set)
Magical Hats (set)

Activate Magical Hats on the non-equipped monster.
Activate Desert Sunlight.
Activate Tailor of the Fickle.

You'll have a Heavy Mech Support Platform on a Magic or Trap card.

Well, hopefully, the judge will realize that you can't change the type of a monster that has no type to begin with, and rule that you can't activate Tailor of the Fickle targetting those three cards. Well, two cards.

But the important part is, I'm insane.

 

[Jack Of All Decks]

Can you activate Barrel Behind the Door to the effect of Kozaky's Self-Destruct Button or more than 1 so you can return the damage back to your opponent.

E.g. two face down KSDB and a face down BBtD and your opponent plays Heavy Storm

E.g. two face down KSDB and a face down BBtD and you play Gryphons Feather Duster.

 

[Digital Jedi]

I'm inclined to say no, since it is has no activation effect. Generaly you need to chain to the activation of the card when dealing with spell and traps. I'm not sure I know of a instance where you can chiain to a Graveyard activated effect. (Other then that recent one fromn SOI)

 

[slither]

We'll I don't know, I see it like you can activate it, seems like a similar effect to that of Giant Germ.

 

[BenjaminMS]

Mmm.... officialy, the answer would be no I think. But following the restrictions which are placed upon Curtis and the fact that there exists a thing like BKSS :bkss_jedi I think you actually should take the destruction as the activation-point, where the effect start. So yes, you would be able to chain Barrel Behind the Door to it

 

[Raijinili]

Barrel Behind the Door requires chaining to the card activation. Kozaky's 1000 damage is an effect activation.

 

[slither]

Kozaky activates as soon as it has been destroyed when set... I don't see any effect for it, it works just as Dark Coffin and such.

 

[novastar]

Barrel Behind the Door requires chaining to the card activation. Kozaky's 1000 damage is an effect activation.

and the only case where you could use Barrel is on Monster Effect activation, as it is mechanically similar to Card Activation in terms of that requirement.

 

[BenjaminMS]

Bah... So I am wrong?