March 1, 2007 Restriction List

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Shriek has the new banned/restricted list posted. I hate to stir up controversy, especailly since they don't attribute the list to any official source, but they're pretty good about having the latest news.

New to the Forbidden List:
Sangan
Catapult Turtle
Graceful Charity
Mirror Force

New to the Limited List:
Chaos Sorcerer
Victory Dragon
Thousand-Eyes Restrict
Neo-Spacian Grand Mole
Magical Scientist
Magical Stone Excavation
Dark Hole
Pot of Greed
Reinforcement of the Army
Lightning Vortex
Time Seal
Reckless Greed
Wall of Revealing Light

New to the Semi-Restricted List:
Night Assailant
Gem Beast - Sapphire Pegasus
Mystical Space Typhoon
Nobleman of Crossout

No longer Restricted:
Giant Trunade


"The horror... the horror."
 
Remember, this is the OCG Ban List. Magical Shard Excavation was "already" limited to one per Deck on the Sep 1st OCG List, so it isnt new. It will be new for us if it is Restricted.
 
Just wow. If this list is real, it will be our list too almost for sure (since we have Worlds in this list).
I doesn't seem right!

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Just a note: this list puts Magical Scientist in the restricted list too (it seems that you missed it Jathro.
 
Just a note: this list puts Magical Scientist in the restricted list too (it seems that you missed it Jathro.
 
Ugh, this list is awful if true. Chaos, more OTK, and stall decks take a beating from 2X Typhoon in every deck.
 
Yeah... I'm almost glad Mirror Force got banned, as I would surely have been pissed to see it get hit by a MST, and then they use another one to take out a Sak or Widespread. At least I won't lose a mass removal any more.

Guess it's time to start teching Nobleman of Extermination.
 
Yeah, if this is the case it would be a HUGE step backwards in my eyes. It's a format I'd be judging.....but seldom if ever playing in.
 
I would almost put money that this list is NOT for us because it puts Night Assailant back to limited status, meaning 2, yes? If so, We'll see Snipe Hunters en masse, with a pair of Night Assailants causing unlimited removal options. It would be worse than when people were just waiting for Dark Hole/Heavy Storm, Black Luster Soldier for game. Don't get me wrong, I do have silent dreams why my favorite discard engine was viable, but alas, I fear those times are long gone.
 
John Danker said:
Yeah, if this is the case it would be a HUGE step backwards in my eyes. It's a format I'd be judging.....but seldom if ever playing in.
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I concur. With the way 2007 has started off, let's hope this isn't true, or at least isn't true for us :( I surely hope Shrink coming out wasn't to try and placate us over this.

Scientist back? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Sangan gone? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I could deal with Sorcerer coming back, though. One per deck seems more appropriate than banning it outright (says the guy with the Spellcaster deck evenly divided between LIGHT and DARK monsters)
 
I don't know...something about that list looks kinda off somehow...I'll take that news with a pinch of salt...

*EDIT - It also appears that Catapult Turtle has been (surely temporarily) thrown into the nether regions of the Forbidden List...surely to counter the obvious use with Scientist....
 
I'm in agreement with everything you guys are saying. I hope this list isn't true either. Again, there was no attribution given with this list, so who knows how creditable it is. But just in case it is, that's why I put it up.

"The horror... the horror."
 
I forgot to point out that even though it looks like Magical Scientist is coming back, Catapult Turtle will be banned. How that makes sense, I don't know. They could have just kept Scientist banned and Catapult Turtle at x3.
 
Jathro said:
I forgot to point out that even though it looks like Magical Scientist is coming back, Catapult Turtle will be banned. How that makes sense, I don't know. They could have just kept Scientist banned and Catapult Turtle at x3.
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At one point in time, and I wish I could find a quote to back this up, UDE had stated that Konami had no intention of keeping any given card banned forever. Perhaps switching Scientist, Turtle and TER around a bit just gives Scientist his "see? not banned forever" status.

Remember, they don't have the "Traditional" format over there. You know, that place where CED, BLS, and Yata still come out to play? ;)

Another thing that MIGHT happen, and if this list is accurate let's hope so, could be we'll have a completely different list and just make everyone obey the JPN list for Worlds. Given the headway UDE appears to have been making with this stuff, coupled with the fact that they can undoubtedly illustrate a correlation between crappy ban lists and crappy participation/sales figures .... hey, a guy can hope :p

(I'm still wondering if the Shrink promo thing is a sign that we're getting this list ... call me the eternal pessimist if you must. Maybe this will get us the DARK structure with CCV in it, too.)
 
djp952 said:
At one point in time, and I wish I could find a quote to back this up, UDE had stated that Konami had no intention of keeping any given card banned forever.
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Kevin Tewart at Upper Deck Entertainment was kind enough to answer a few questions about the upcoming Forbidden and Restriction list coming in September.

Question: Is the September 1, 2006 a world-wide list?

Answer: Yes, the list MUST be world-wide. Shueisha is most insistent on that. The trick was to get them to cater to OUR needs this time, instead of just Japan's needs. And we succeeded in that.

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Question: What do you have to say behind UDE's philosophy has always been to have a shorter list overall (forbidden + limited + semi-limited) by increasing the ## of forbidden cards.

Answer: Yep, we stand by that.
We want Butterfly Dagger errata'd & off the list.
We want Time Seal off the list.
We want Lily off the list.
We want all the Exodia limbs (but not the head) off the list.
We want Mage Power off the list.
We want Mask of Darkness off the list.
We want Metamorphosis off the list.
We want Reckless Greed off the list.
We want Apprentice Magician off the list.
We want DDV off the list.

Guess what? Konami & Shueisha don't agree. And they call the shots. I don't like it either, but that's the way the world works.

We DID get 4 cards off the list this time, and got 2 more migrated to semi-limited. (And hopefully on their way off the list entirely.)

And we got the most-complained about cards (Chaos Sorcerer, Spirit Reaper) dealt with.

I think that's a victory. Sorry if you don't agree.

Question: Had they done the reverse, and put Overload Fusion at 1 and left Future Fusion at 3, you would have limited the OTK capability even further.

Answer: We also argued that Overload Fusion was the key and should be limited instead of Future Fusion. But Konami didn't agree.

And, well, they DO have more experience with these cards than we do.

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Question: Why was Ring of Destruction and Exiled Force have taken a less limited state while Reaper was limited to one?

Wouldn't these cards perfectly counter Spirit Reaper?

Answer: Because Spirit Reaper is just annoying. It's indestructible in battle and has a Don Zaloog effect. I think it's better than Marshmallown, and they limited Marshmallown in Japan, so why shouldn't Reaper be limited?

The game is about monsters fighting. A big monster that can't be killed because it's ginormous is one thing. A little monster that can't be killed just because its text says so.... well, that's just kind of silly, don't you think?

Ring of Destruction is back for a couple reasons. First, because cards DO come off the Forbidden List. Takahashi HATES the idea of having cards that are banned forever. He refuses to allow that in his game. Cards do and will come off. The forbidden list does change. That's a fact of life.

Second, Ring of Destruction is a nice counter to some of the OTK's that might otherwise be a problem.


All questions were answered by,

Kevin Tewart
Sr. Game Designer
UDE Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D Lead
Upper Deck Entertainment
 
John Danker said:
Yeah, if this is the case it would be a HUGE step backwards in my eyes. It's a format I'd be judging.....but seldom if ever playing in.
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I'm right there with you John. I was planning on going to the Shonen Jump (with Ojamas) in Austin, but now I'm going to wait for the confirmed list before I make the hotel reservations today.
 
I bet anything that Tewart is sitting in his office, the new ban list on his screen, and his finger poised over the "Send" button...and in the other window, he's reading responses to this posted ban list and laughing maniacally.
 
Wasn't there a few people saying that 2007 was starting to shape up great?!!

That's why I held my tongue. Champion Packs Suck, and now we have a new (possible) Ban List that sucks too!! lol

Just glad to be playing the game....
 
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