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That is a good question. Well for all intents and purposes she counts as 5 Attributes at once, so I am assuming if Water Dragon were Special Summoned she:

A.) Would be decreased to 0 ATK

or

B.) Would not be decreased since her main Attribute is LIGHT

However, this poses another question. Does she get an increase from any and all Field Spell Cards that increase an Attribute? I am strongly going to say go with (A) on this only because if you can use Fuh-Rin-Ka-Zan on it I see no reason why it does retain the same Attribute situation for Water Dragon. Keep in mind, she always has 5 different Attributes, even in the hand.
 
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She would be reduced to 0 because for all intents and purposes she is a FIRE Monster. Any other modifier that affects the ATk of that same attribute would be applied in timestamp order.
 
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Well in pretty much most of my duels Water Dragon is almost always summoned so it could prove to be in a good instance. When I ran my old Elemental Deck before I went for Magnetic Chemistry Deck I never once thought about that type of thing. If Water Dragon works for it, then that must mean any Field Spell Card can work for her. I probably should test that theory in the GBA YGO GX game I got on my PC in a little bit, if she is in the game to begin with.
 
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Doriado's effect is a condition that gives her all four attribute at once. So yes, a Field Spell Card that affects a monstr with one of those Attributes would also affect her. It's the whole stategy behind here effect. Not just to get the benefits of Fuh-Rin-Ka-Zan. ;)
 
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Well, if you activate A Legendary Ocean while Water Dragon is out and you have a Elemental Mistress Doriado on your side of the field, what would happen is your Doriado would gain 200 ATK, and then drop back to 0 ATK. In one of Water Dragon's rulings any ATK changes to a monster effected by Water Dragon's effect would increase and then return back to 0. Anyway, Scroll of Bewitchment would not do anything. Keep in mind her effect is still treated as every Attribute except DARK. Using Scroll of Bewitchment to switch her to DARK or anything else would not change the fact she goes back to 0 due to her own effect.
 
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Tiso said:
Well, if you activate A Legendary Ocean while Water Dragon is out and you have a Elemental Mistress Doriado on your side of the field, what would happen is your Doriado would gain 200 ATK, and then drop back to 0 ATK. In one of Water Dragon's rulings any ATK changes to a monster effected by Water Dragon's effect would increase and then return back to 0. Anyway, Scroll of Bewitchment would not do anything. Keep in mind her effect is still treated as every Attribute except DARK. Using Scroll of Bewitchment to switch her to DARK or anything else would not change the fact she goes back to 0 due to her own effect.
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yeah, i did check that rule, but i was under the impression that the rule was refering to changes to attack to FIRE monsters, i mean, if i have Elemental Mistress Doriado face up, and i was to play Molten Destruction, she would increase those 500 attk points, but it would drop back to 0 in presence of Water Dragon, but what about A Legendary Ocean after the summoning of Water Dragon?. does an issue of timestamping comes in play??.

and about scroll of bewichtment, i was just asking IF i was to equip it to Elemental Mistress Doriado (outside the Water Dragon case) and call the attribute "dark", does her effect still has effect , or because of the equipment card, she ha only the called attribute?

thks!!!
 
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While "Water Dragon" is face-up on the field, either player can activate an effect to increase the ATK of a FIRE or Pyro-Type monster, but the Continuous Effect of "Water Dragon" will change it back to 0.

This paticular ruling above would not apply to a Contiuous Modifier. Continuous Modifiers vying for control over a creatures ATK or DEF would apply in timestamp order. So a Water Dragon brought into play after A Legendary Ocean was in play would reduce the ATK of Elemental Mistress Doriado to 0. But A Legendary Ocean activated after a Water Dragon was already on the field would result in Elemental Mistress Doriado's ATK to increase by 200. Making Doriado a whopping 200 ATK Monster since A Legendary Ocean would be applying on top of the current modifier.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
While "Water Dragon" is face-up on the field, either player can activate an effect to increase the ATK of a FIRE or Pyro-Type monster, but the Continuous Effect of "Water Dragon" will change it back to 0.

This paticular ruling above would not apply to a Contiuous Modifier. Continuous Modifiers vying for control over a creatures ATK or DEF would apply in timestamp order. So a Water Dragon brought into play after A Legendary Ocean was in play would reduce the ATK of Elemental Mistress Doriado to 0. But A Legendary Ocean activated after a Water Dragon was already on the field would result in Elemental Mistress Doriado's ATK to increase by 200. Making Doriado a whopping 200 ATK Monster since A Legendary Ocean would be applying on top of the current modifier.
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No, it being a continuous modify has nothing to do with it. Water Dragon in its ruling flat out make any stat changes to a FIRE or Pyro-Type revert right back to 0. Using A Legendary Ocean does nothing. She is still a FIRE Attribute and as such would increase to 200 and then go right back to 0 regardless.
 
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Many rulings flat out state things under the assumption that you know the basic mechanics and effect interaction. Nothing in the Water Dragon's ruling, or even his Effect Text suggests that timestamping no longer applies. Caution must be excersized in presuming that a ruling is saying to ignore a fundamental game rule when it doesn't specifically say to ignore that game rule. There is nothing to indicate that Water Dragon's Continuous Modifier supercedes all others.
 
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Example for all you:

Player A Special Summons Water Dragon, in his 2nd turn, and ends his turn in Main Phase 1. Water Dragon gets the timestamp 'Turn 2, Player A, Main Phase 1'.
However, Player B Special Summons Elemental Mistress Doriado in her turn (timestamp: Turn 2, Player B, Main Phase 1), attacks a monster (no further affection) and activates in Main Phase 2 A Legendary Ocean, which gets the Time Stamp 'Turn 2, Player B, Main Phase 2'.
In this case, ALO has a timestamp of a later date then Water Dragon, and Elemental Mistress Doriado increases her attack and defense by 200 points, without being brought back to 0 by the effect of Water Dragon.
 
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Okay, explain a situation where Water Dragon is summoned first, then Elemental Mistress Doriado is summoned in a later turn, then Hoshiningen is summoned to the side of the controller of Doriado, the A Legendary Ocean is activated.

In one sense, you are saying that she gets decreased to zero for being a Fire Attribute, then she would get a boost from Hoshiningen, then a boost from A Legendary Ocean.

Would she first get the 500 boost, then a 400 decrease, because she would also be a Dark Attribute, then get a 100 increase from A Legendary Ocean???
 
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It does not matter when Water Dragon is summoned. Whenever the stat would change for her she would go right back to 0 ATK. There is no timestamp nonsense about it. It clearly states so in the rulings. Look at Water Dragon in the same aspect as you would Level-Limit Area B. You CAN still change the the Defense Position monster to Attack Position, but it would go right back to Defense Position. The same applies for Water Dragon. He does not decrease the ATK by a certain amount. He makes it 0 ATK. Increasing it would do nothing as it goes right back to 0.
 
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That's how I see it as well. Once he comes to the field, since she still is a Fire Attribute, he would still be reducing her attack to zero.

All the "time-stamp" stuff may apply in other cases where you dont have an effect that is continuously checking, but not here with Water Dragon.
 
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