Multiple Chains in the Battle Phase

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I know theres a pretty long thread about this, but theres something bothering me...

Say if an opponent's Monster attacks me, I use Magic Cylinder to attempt to negate the attack, can I also chain Mirror Force, assuming opponent passes their ability to chain to cylinder,to Cylinder to provide a "double" layer of trap protection? If so, would the chain just resolve normally?

I am asking because it strikes me as Mirror Force missed its chance to respond to the attack...
 
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Novastar, feel free to send this one to the list. IF (and that's a big IF) Dan or Kevin say otherwise, we're going to see some L3s that are going to come out of the woodwork swinging. ;)

This is all based on a conversation that is documented from one L3 with Dan. And his words (exactly) were "There is NO chain in Yugioh."

Effects are not activated and resolved "on a chain". Effects are activated and resolved in Zones.
 
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I get what you are saying, but that is nitpicking beyond belief. Why? Well, there never has, and never will be a chain in a tcg. Actually, a chain is a MODEL, used to remind you when effects resolve. And the fact that there is no such thing does not change that it is still an effective model.

-pssvr
 
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Actually, no. Games like MTG and VS actually have chains (or, in MTG, a stack). The effects "are placed on the chain/stack" and resolve. It's not a model. It's actually a part of the game itself. YGO, on the other hand, does not have such a thing and it's not a nitpicky thing. It's a MAJOR issue. If effects were actually on a chain, then many of the effects that we see (Royal Decree anyone?) would NOT work or work very, very differently. As is, effects activate and resolve in Zones. And that's a VERY important difference than effects going on a chain/stack to resolve.
 
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Do you know what the word "model" means, in the non-ship-in-a-bottle definition? It means something which physically does not exist, but mentally can be used to simulate a physical thing (Damn you, I'm not quoting a dictionary, so please don't pick at that). I'm sticking with my earlier argument, that a chain is a perfectly effective model.

-pssvr
 
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Chained as in (verb) yes PSSVR, BISHOP is speaking of physically Placed On A Chain "noun". I can see where this becomes important in the everything is so incredibly dependent on exact wording of the cards (although they often don't clearly say what they mean on the cards).
 
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Heh.

Part of the thing that has been a major push in YGO for the last two years has been "doing it the right way" without misinformation. We have enough of that around. Calling it a chain and putting it in a way that sounds like something that most are familiar with (and even the way that we assumed was right in the past) is incorrect AND, in fact, would alter the way the game is played. But understanding the correct interactions (and terminology) is important to understanding how effects work. Again, see Royal Decree for a great example of this. A "Chain" (or "Stack") would change the way this card is actually played. But, because there is no chain, and effects activate and resolve in Zones, this card becomes very understandable with the right mechanic involved and one no longer needs specific rulings on the card to judge it correctly.

See? So, it's not a matter of getting a dictionary out. It's a matter of looking at thing appropriately. The chain, as an effective model, is only as good as it is appropriate. The problem is that many people are still working from the rulebook. How many times in three years have I said Don't Ever Use the Rulebook in Tournament Level Events!! ... ??? The rulebook is designed for little kids just starting out. It is not acceptable for tournament level rulings or mechanics. And I stand on that statement still today. So, to say that the rulebook explains chaining is about as accurate as saying that it clearly defines end of match procedures for sanctioned tournaments.
 
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You really can't see the Forest through the trees, can you? The chain is a MODEL. If you take a model literally, there will be issues, everyone knows that, we're not stupid. If you use a reasonable amount of metaphorical common sense, though, you'll see how cards can be in a chain metaphorically, and still be in their correct zones physically.

-pssvr
 
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I'm so glad that I don't use drugs or alcohol anymore, this thread would have sent me into a tail spin. Not that I condone the use of drugs or alcohol to understand this stuff. Reality is tough enough without the added bizzaarness (?).
 
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sirch1964 said:
I'm so glad that I don't use drugs or alcohol anymore, this thread would have sent me into a tail spin. Not that I condone the use of drugs or alcohol to understand this stuff. Reality is tough enough without the added bizzaarness (?).
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Not that anything I've said is incorrect (though admittedly easier to explain in person than to write it out), but you've got to know by now that I love tossing things like this into conversations just to watch people go nutz. ;)
 
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Run away pssvr!!! Run away now!!! You see that avatar bishop is using?! That's what happens to me when I don't complete my projects on time, or when bishop is bored. Flee while you have the chance. I leave you with this secret..

...wha...huh?

No, not again!

...ahhhhhh.....
 
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sirch1964 said:
I'm so glad that I don't use drugs or alcohol anymore, this thread would have sent me into a tail spin. Not that I condone the use of drugs or alcohol to understand this stuff. Reality is tough enough without the added bizzaarness (?).
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:drugged: :wacko:
:eek: Dang it! You mean they won't help me understand the madness!?!?!?!:confused:
:mad: Well there's cash down the drain!:(

Lol (I like smilies!)
 
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