Next ban list. What would you like gone/back?

[Peps]

A belief I have is that limiting/banning cards does not solve anything. Instead the banlist should be unlimiting options for more playable deck-types and overall, increasing the card pool. For example, if we had 3 Book of Moons back, nobody will probably even play 3 of them in every deck they play. However, at the same time, it would allow other deck to flourish like Mystic Swordsman, and some flip-flop controlling. At the moment, there is no card I think that deserves any banning or limiting. We should be instead unlimiting cards that once did deserve limitation, but don't pose any threat to the game anymore.

 

[drzero7]

There's no way Spirit Reaper is coming out of unrestricted. I mean, Marshmellon in Japan was 1 per deck for the longest time. And Spirit Reaper is actually more of a threat then Marshmellon. (Marshmellon is just a wall, Spirit Reaper is a wall + discard effect when going offensive) I never understood why Marshmellon was 1 per deck for a long time while letting Spirit Reaper on 3x for a long time.

 

[Sakura Sakamoto]

not having the limited and banned list would probably ruin the game especialy now everyone got used to having one.

we need the list because some cards are to strong for tournament play thing like the envoy monsters raigeki these types of cards are banned because theres no downside to them.

i think a number of people agree that it would iritating if you were dueling some one and they could 3 ring of destruction and 3 mirror force in 1 deck.
the game the would be case of how ever as the most copies of the cards would win.
well thats just my opinion.

but personaly i want to replace graceful charity wit hpot of greed as gracful charity lets people abuse the frog and dark world to easily.

 

[LordLight2]

I think there's a "Pay 500, Destroy a face up spell/trap" card coming out in the new set, so MST being banned wouldn't be a big surprise at all.

The rumor I heard, and mind you it's just a rumor, is that Mystical Space Typhoon and Heavy Storm would be banned. With them bringing out Twister, I think MST being banned might come true. Not sure about Heavy Storm...

And I would have to agree with most of you. Bring back a little more stall. Bring back Mill and Exodia decks! Course, I would actually like to play Makyura in a Tournament...

 

[Peps]

not having the limited and banned list would probably ruin the game especialy now everyone got used to having one.

we need the list because some cards are to strong for tournament play thing like the envoy monsters raigeki these types of cards are banned because theres no downside to them.

i think a number of people agree that it would iritating if you were dueling some one and they could 3 ring of destruction and 3 mirror force in 1 deck.
the game the would be case of how ever as the most copies of the cards would win.
well thats just my opinion.

but personaly i want to replace graceful charity wit hpot of greed as gracful charity lets people abuse the frog and dark world to easily.

I think you mis-read what I'm trying to say, of course keep the list the way it is, what I'm trying to say is that, we shouldn't be limiting stuff like the Monarchs or generic removal or stuff like that, we should instead reduce the restriction of what was once powerful into more copies being allowed. For example, Vampire Lord used to be at 1 per deck cause it was sort of "broken" at the time it was released. Now that restriction has been lifted cause it's not too powerful anymore and can be at 3 per deck.

If the banlist keeps banning the powerful cards or overused cards of a format, we are simply going to end up reducing the game to it's primative state, where you will most likely see players with identical decklists.

Overall, what I'm trying to say is that the next banlist should release the restriction of cards such as Scapegoat, Book of Moon, Mask of Darkness and other various stuff that aren't that broken... or use to be broken but aren't anymore.

The rumor I heard, and mind you it's just a rumor, is that Mystical Space Typhoon and Heavy Storm would be banned. With them bringing out Twister, I think MST being banned might come true. Not sure about Heavy Storm...

And I would have to agree with most of you. Bring back a little more stall. Bring back Mill and Exodia decks! Course, I would actually like to play Makyura in a Tournament...

The effect of Twister I believe is the one where it can only target face-up Magics and Traps. If that is the case, there is simple no reason to ban Mystical Space Typhoon or Heavy Storm. I highly doubt either of them will be banned either, they are not really game changing or devastating, unless you setted two to your backrow when your opponent never played Heavy Storm yet. The only reason Dark Hole is banned is because of the effort it takes to summon a bunch of monsters, while with Magics and Traps, you can set and activate as many as you like.

As for the idea of stall, it would be great to see it again, sure it was annoying, but at least it gives decks like "P.A.C.M.A.N." another chance to strive for greatness, and Exodia decks of course.

 

[Sakura Sakamoto]

sorry pep's looks like i did miss understand what you were saying.
but i think that some card should go on the limited list and others should come of.
like the monarchs should go on because there powerful that are over used.
to be honest this how i think the next ban list sholud be changed.

cards to go on
banned
graceful charity
ring of destruction

limited
mobius the frost monarch
thetalos the firestorm monarch
zaborg the thunder monarch
granmarg the rock monarch
exiled force


semi limited
scape goat
book of moon
book of taiyou
level limit area b
gravity bind
braker the magical warrior. this would even out with the decrease in mobius and the increase in gravity bind level limit area b.

cards of the banned list on to the limited list
witch of the black forest
pot of greed
tsukyuomi

 

[cameron2010]

Why do some many duelists want Graceful banned? Personally I think its better to draw 3 cards and discard something, then just draw 2 random cards. The list is pretty much fine as is, but they should limit the Monarchs, Exiled Force, and Lightning Vortex. If UDE/Konami were to ban Heavy Storm it would not surprise me, even though it is pretty much like Harpies if played correctly. I agree with most, but not all Peps tallked about. With the exception of unlimiting cards that were once a threat. They should keep cards that were banned stay that way, and the cards that were limited stay limited.

 

[Lord Hades]

OK heres is what I thought.-

Banned Cards will be.-

Graceful Charity
Ring of Destruction
Ultimate Offering (maybe)
Limiter Removal (maybe)

Limited Cards.-

Exiled Force
Time Seal
Cyber Jar

Semi- Limited.-

Monarchs (the 4 of them)

 

[Lord Hades]

Why do some many duelists want Graceful banned? Personally I think its better to draw 3 cards and discard something, then just draw 2 random cards.QUOTE]

because there are some monsters called "Dark World", also that´s why "Mirage of Nightmare" is very difficult to come back

 

[densetsu_x]

Graceful Charity should be banned because at drawing 3 cards, it's the strongest draw potential in the game. Not to mention the next batch of DW monsters coming where you get to destroy a monster or a S/T just by discarding them by effect... it really needs to go.

 

[SoilentG]

I'd vote for Goldd, Silva, and the other high level DW monsters to be limited. Very easy to get them on the field for no cost or virtually no cost. Look at the Anaheim SJC article at metagame that shows the match between Theersarak Poonsombat vs. Jose Suarez in the quarterfinals. Game 3 went boom.

 

[cuzwbd]

talking a bout new cards from strike of neos heres one that will probably make the limited list if the translations correct


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STON-JP054 Reincarnation Premonition [Rare]
Normal Trap
Select 2 cards in the Graveyard and shuffle them into their respective owner's deck.

how cool is this card getting any two cards back to your deck
it's a like a mini trap version of pot of averice.
you get less cards but theres no restrictions on what you.
i want this card to be on to limited list.

waste your opponents treeborn - cool - foil pot of avarice or call of haunted or premature or dasher or MoF and on and on - is this for real?

 

[cuzwbd]

not having the limited and banned list would probably ruin the game especialy now everyone got used to having one.


but personaly i want to replace graceful charity wit hpot of greed as gracful charity lets people abuse the frog and dark world to easily.

dark world isnt dominant... and graceful makes a player THINK...pot does not...selfishly pot is better but graceful is better for the game...imo

 

[cuzwbd]

i do miss tsuki... and ter... maybe we'll get another BoM or two ?? loosing books' was what made snatch steal so wicked - i cant count how many games i lost to my own jinzo... sigh, GLAD thats over with
i wouldnt mind monarchs being restricted or limited.... give us something to deal with treeborn and limit brain and they can stay...

 

[densetsu_x]

Cuzwbd... did you really need to post 3 responses in a row on the same thread within a few minutes of each other? Yeah I know I'm "just a normal person" but old habits die hard. Esp. since 2 of them you were responding to the same person, just edit and combine them.

 

[cuzwbd]

geez - didnt know it mattered/bothered anyone - my apologies-
i just responded to a few as i was reading through...i guess next time i'll read entirely through the thread and take notes before responding or posting any opinions... sigh my bad :redface :redface

 

[HorusMaster]

Graceful Charity should be banned because at drawing 3 cards, it's the strongest draw potential in the game. Not to mention the next batch of DW monsters coming where you get to destroy a monster or a S/T just by discarding them by effect... it really needs to go.

Graceful Charity should be placed back on the banned list, not so much as the ability to discard DW monsters (not too many players center a deck around it) but for the future effect of discarding DW monsters with the new deck. Graceful, discard DW monster and it becomes a Zaborg or Mobius. Pot of Greed is just that-requires no thinking, just take two cards. At least with Graceful, you had to chunk two of them. Heavy Storm is typically played by a player BEFORE they set their own S/T cards, so it's the same as Harpie's Feather Duster, which I believe should be brought back, especially now that Cyber-Stein is banned. MoF, Exiled and now, with the new gadgets, Lightning Vortex should all be limited to one. Chaos Sorcerer, Chaos Emperor and Black Luster EotB should all remain gone along with Tribe Infecting Virus. I'd like to see Makyura the Destructor come back and make some play but I doubt that will happen. Limit Sakuretsu to one. Get rid of easy play cards with no brain required effects and bring back some thought and strategy to the game.

 

[Oceanus]

I'm pretty happy with the list right now, not to many no-brain strategies, or staples, and I love how the players keep showing up with new deck ideas, and duelists in general with different types of decks.

(I dueled a Hamon Burn deck last regional, loved the idea, pretty darn tough to beat, unless you happen to be running a Horus deck. Basically, I see these types of burn decks that operate within the same format. They have the certain cards that make the deck what it is, and use this draw engine of "ROYAL MAGICAL LIBRARY", "Convulsion of Nature", "Archfiend's Oath", "Spell Reprouction", "GIANT TRUNADE", "Magical Mallet", etc. It must be pretty mesmerizing to watch this take place, because at Regionals a few of the players already done with their match, and a few of the judges just sat around the table watching a deaf guy just go at it with this engine, he had extremely long turns, drawing about 1/3 of his deck each turn, trunading, finally summoning hamon, and setting his ring of d. and barrel, and waited for the opponent to draw their last card. Very entertaining, espicially when he had to write down what card was on the top of his deck and show it to me when he needed to "declare card names" for effects like "Archfiend's Oath".)

Sorry, bit of a rant their off topic =3. Actually, The only thing I can think of to maybe put on the list, is Semi-Limiting "Cyber Dragon". It really has become a staple for any battle-orientated deck. I see it in just about any type of deck nowadays, from Machines, to Lights, to Strike Ninja! Taking away 1 cyber might not harm people to bad, but it feels like it'll at least deserve the limit.

 

[densetsu_x]

Graceful Charity should be placed back on the banned list, not so much as the ability to discard DW monsters (not too many players center a deck around it) but for the future effect of discarding DW monsters with the new deck. Graceful, discard DW monster and it becomes a Zaborg or Mobius. Pot of Greed is just that-requires no thinking, just take two cards. At least with Graceful, you had to chunk two of them. Heavy Storm is typically played by a player BEFORE they set their own S/T cards, so it's the same as Harpie's Feather Duster, which I believe should be brought back, especially now that Cyber-Stein is banned. MoF, Exiled and now, with the new gadgets, Lightning Vortex should all be limited to one. Chaos Sorcerer, Chaos Emperor and Black Luster EotB should all remain gone along with Tribe Infecting Virus. I'd like to see Makyura the Destructor come back and make some play but I doubt that will happen. Limit Sakuretsu to one. Get rid of easy play cards with no brain required effects and bring back some thought and strategy to the game.

Just to address a few other things here:

Sakuretsu Armor won't even be restricted. It's a 1-4-1 that requires a specific event to happen and is subject to being destroyed long before. Makyura the Destructor won't ever come off because of his effect and the fact that it can lead to OTKs. The Chaos Trio won't ever come off either, esp. with the Neo-Chaos cards coming out in Force of the Breaker...

... which leads to the other reason why Graceful Charity needs to go. Japan will have Force of the Breaker before the next banned list. Even though the Neo-Chaos monsters need 4 monsters to RFP from the Graveyard, why speed it along through Graceful Charity? A 3 card drawing powered card (even if or esp. if you have to discard 2) is a bit too much. There are alternatives out there. Use them instead.

And even though we don't have them, I can see at least 1 of the Neo-Chaos monsters being restricted to 1 (the one that mimics the CED effect). Even if you only get that effect off once, how freaking broken will it be if you have 3 in the deck just to increase your odds on getting it off once. Force both players to top deck and not to mention, if you start comboing it with cards like Critter, Last Will, Dimension Fusion, etc. you're basically looking at Game Over. Btw, they're only Super Rares too. Not that hard to get.

Just a futuristic foreshadowing of the Sky Devil Lords.

 

[Jathro]

I was under the impression the new Dark World monsters only get their effect when discarded by the opponnent...