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[FiendMaster]

What if I have a monster card says, "black luster soldier - envoy of the beginning" in the graveyard and my opponent call " black luster soldier". Can I say that its the wrong monster and special summon BLS-envoy to the field (assume he was summoned properly in the beginning)

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[Raijinili]

That really is a tough call for a player. Obviously in a regional or higher level tournament you have to hold a player accountable for an illegal deck. At that level they should know the ban list and all of the other rules as for what's an illegal deck or not.

On a local level though the line greys a bit. You don't want to discourage a new player and get them upset. I can understand it if you're playing someone completely new in the first round and they activate their second Pot of Greed and you whisper, "Hey, I don't want to see you lose this match because you have an illegal deck, Pot of Greed is limited to 1 per deck my friend. Why don't you just draw a new card and fix your deck in between rounds and we'll call it cool alright?" That's commendable on your part and a very giving thing to do with their best interest in mind.

The problem with the above scenario though is it's a bit more involved that it first appears. First, how is this person going to fix their deck? They've already turned in a deck sheet, if they take a card out and they only have 40 cards in their deck they could take a card out of their side deck....if they have one, and then they'd still have an illegal deck with a side deck count at 14. Their deck sheet would be off as well. If they pull a card from their binder to replace the second Pot of Greed then they still have an illegal deck sheet. Secondly, if it isn't first round they player previous players with an illegal deck possibly making their chances better to win and those players may have lost because this person is playing 2 or 3 Pot of Greeds, that's not fair either.

If this person would change their deck and later have a deck check, and then the judge points out the error and this person says, "Well Yugi over there just told me to switch the card out." then you're in a heap of trouble with the judge.

I really can appreciate the compassion and spirit with which the statement made about not wanting to win by technicallity was made. I think, however, in the long run it possibly won't benefit either your opponent and it may reflect poorly on you (though obviously your spirit of fair play and intention was good) At worst this person would take a match loss and move on. I think most of us have taken one on the chin at some point along the line that way. We learn best from our mistakes.

There I'd just suggest he tell a judge as soon as possible. Then the change can be official. Unless the judge decides that the player should be punished for his ignorance and the judges' improper deck check...

 

[removefromp]

cant believe I just spent the last 2 hours reading all the posts. lol

anyways, I think that intent is the most important. In national, you are just making yourself look bad if you insist on summoning bls-envoy when your opponent called bls. you know that he knows you dont run bls(ritual), so why tyring to get all technial when you know that he means bls-envoy.

on the other hand, if you are playing with young kidz or newbies in local, I think you should ask them to be specific. coz' they might not know that bls(ritual) is different than bls-envoy. so when they say bls, their intent might not be bls-enovy.

again, intention should be considered as the most important determint on whether your opponent's call is valid or not. if my opponent knows that I have both luster dragon and luster dragon #2 in my deck, and he just calls luster dragon instead of luster dragon #2 when luster dragon #2 is on the bottom, I will speical summon without even asking him to be more specific.

in the case of sasuki samuri, I expect my opponent to be specific because 1,2,3 and 4 are different cards with different effects.
The same goes for harpei lady. As maruno explains, "There are 5 different version of the card out, 3 with differing effects and 1 with a different ATK/DEF to the others. Since they're different, they can't be the same, because if they were the same that would imply that they are the exact same card, with the same ATK/DEF and effect (or lack of such). That kind of defeats the object of making these cards with their different effects." If they have different effects, they are different cards. even if their names is treated the same, I still expect my opponent to be able to tell me which one they are referring to, either by telling me the effect or even the graphic. I mean if they know how the card looks like or what their effects are, their intent of calling that card's name is clear. As DaGuyWitBluGlasses was saying, there are well over thousands monster cards in the game, its not always possible for a player to remember each and everyone of their names. thats why we shouldnt pick on what they are saying, but rather what they are intented to say.

 

[removefromp]

oh, forget to say that different graphics have been printed for blue eyes and the alike, but their discription and atk and def are all the same. they are the same cards. but cyber harpie and the regular harpie are different, thats y I think they are different cards and should be called out differently by the opponent.

 

[StRiKe_NiNjA]

oh, forget to say that different graphics have been printed for blue eyes and the alike, but their discription and atk and def are all the same. they are the same cards. but cyber harpie and the regular harpie are different, thats y I think they are different cards and should be called out differently by the opponent.

My point exactly.

I feel as if, when it comes down to Harpie, I feel one should name the specific.

But when it comes down to "Black Luster Soldier", or should I say "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning", don't be a pain in the ass.

It should be based on the "intent" of what is being called upon here.