Registry Ruling about Phoenix and Silent Lv5

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-Xe0-

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HI guys,
i just read the rulings about the new FET-cards closely and im confused about two of them.
The first one goes to this ruling to "Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys":
"If this card is destroyed by a card effect, Special Summon this card during your next Standby Phase. If you Special Summon this card successfully in this way, destroy all Spell and Trap Cards on the field."
The rulings classified this as a graveyard-effect like Vampire Lord or Mystic Tomato and cards like that. Im confused about that, because the rulings about Apprentice Magician (wich got the self Effect-text (timing)) says that such Effect are not graveyard-effects. The condition for the effect is only the destruction, not the graveyard.
The second one is the ruling about Silent Swordsman LV5 and Autonomous Action Unit:
"You can Special Summon "Silent Swordsman LV5" with "Autonomous Action Unit". If "Autonomous Action Unit" is removed from the field, "Silent Swordsman LV5" is unaffected and remains on the field."
That looks very confusing to me too. The effect of Silent Swordsman LV5 pervents him from being detroyed by my oppenents Spellcards, but at the time when Action Unit is destroyed its my spellcard that destroyes my own monster. Or is there something wrong ??
Thanks for reply
greetz
Xe0

Edit: Oh i found another confusing ruling about the Silent Swordsman LV5:
""Silent Swordsman LV5" is unaffected by Spell Cards your opponent controls, including those in your opponent's hand due to "Exchange" or "Graverobber"."
Why does Silent Swordsman LV5 gets its effect on the owners hand also. This is also a new fact. I thought the effect ist only activ when the card is face-up on the field.
 
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-Xe0- said:
HI guys,
i just read the rulings about the new FET-cards closely and im confused about two of them.
The first one goes to this ruling to "Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys":
"If this card is destroyed by a card effect, Special Summon this card during your next Standby Phase. If you Special Summon this card successfully in this way, destroy all Spell and Trap Cards on the field."
The rulings classified this as a graveyard-effect like Vampire Lord or Tomato and cards like that. Im confused about that, because the rulings about Aperrentice Magician (wich got the self Effect-text (timing)) says that such Effect are not graveyard-effects. The condition for the effect is only the destruction, not the graveyard.
The second one is the ruling about Silent Swordsman LV5 and Autonomous Action Unit:
"You can Special Summon "Silent Swordsman LV5" with "Autonomous Action Unit". If "Autonomous Action Unit" is removed from the field, "Silent Swordsman LV5" is unaffected and remains on the field."
That looks very confusing to me too. The effect of Lv5 pervents him from being detroyed by my oppenents Spellcards, but at the time when Action Unit is destroyed its my spellcard that destroyes my own monster. Or is there something wrong ??
Thanks for reply
greetz
Xe0
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When you use "Autonomous Action Unit", you are summoning a monster from your "opponents" Graveyard. Since the monster is only under your control by the effect of AAU, when it is destroyed or removed, it is no longer "your" monster (but remains under your control), so it is unaffected.

I know it may not be the most correct, but its the only thing that makes sense to me.
 
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Are you asking about Silent Swordsman LV5 if it were equipped with Autonomous Action Unit?

The ruling is correct. The point where Autonomous Action Unit is "destroyed" takes place on the field, not in the graveyard, so whatever monster it targets will be destroyed along with it. Silent Swordsman LV5 is unaffected by Spell Cards, so Autonomous Action Unit will not destroy Silent Swordsman LV5 being that it is a Spell card.

Same situation with Jinzo selected by Call of the Haunted, if Call of the Haunted is removed from the field, Jinzo is unaffected.
 
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For Sacred Phoenix:
The Special Summon of SPoN is an effect that Activates in the Graveyard. The Spell/Trap destruction is a Trigger Effect that activates when it is special summoned by it's own effect.

Sacred Phoenix will not Special Summon itself from the RFG zone. It's on the rullings too.

For Silent Swordsman:

"Silent Swordsman LV5" is unaffected by Spell Cards your opponent controls, including those in your opponent's hand due to "Exchange" or "Graverobber".

So, If you controll the Autonomus Action Unit, Silent Swordsman considers "THAT Spell" as a spell controlled by the opponent of the original owner of Silent Swordsman. That's why it doesn't get destroyed.

I hope this helps :D
 
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StRiKe_NiNjA said:
Are you asking about Silent Swordsman LV5 if it were equipped with Autonomous Action Unit?

The ruling is correct. The point where Autonomous Action Unit is "destroyed" takes place on the field, not in the graveyard, so whatever monster it targets will be destroyed along with it. Silent Swordsman LV5 is unaffected by Spell Cards, so Autonomous Action Unit will not destroy Silent Swordsman LV5 being that it is a Spell card.

Same situation with Jinzo selected by Call of the Haunted, if Call of the Haunted is removed from the field, Jinzo is unaffected.
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Silent Swordsman LV5 is only unaffected by the opponents Spell Cards. If you activated Dark Hole, and you are the Original Controller/Owner of SS LV5, then he would be destroyed.
 
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-Xe0- said:
@StRiKe_NiNjA:
If you read closely you will see that the effect of Silent Swordsman LV5 only protects him from youre opponents spellcards.

@masterwoo0:
At the moment when Autonomous Action Unit is destroyed the Monster is under my control (without meaning whos the owner) and the my opponent is the other player and so Silent Swordsman LV5 is protectet from my opponents spellcards... or am i worng ??
greetz
Xe0
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Actually, your right. Hey, you found a incorrect ruling :)

There is a incorrect ruling stated below.

You can Special Summon "Silent Swordsman LV5" with "Autonomous Action Unit". If "Autonomous Action Unit" is removed from the field, "Silent Swordsman LV5" is unaffected and remains on the field.

If you'd like, you can report a mistake to whoever handles it here at this site. If you are unable, I will do so in 10 minutes or so.
 
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DimensionalWarrior said:
That's right :D

If you activate Premature Burial on your own Silent Swordsman Lv.5 and after he hits the field Premature Burial is destroyed, Silent would be destroyed too.
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Yeah and i think that is exact the same situation like it is with Autonomous Action Unit.
Or does the Silent Swordman Lv5 got the special kind of effect that is always activ, on hand in grave or anywhere else ?? (or why it is protectet from cards like Exchange ???)

To the Topic of Phoenix:
Why is the effect treatet as a Graveyard effect and apprentice´s effect not ??
greetz
Xe0
 
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I begin to think that there more incorrect rulings then correct ones about the new FET cards.
May someone clarify about the "Exchange vs. Silent Swordsman LV5"-think too? Or is this another wrong ruling ??

back to the Phoenix:
Could it be that the effect of the Phoenix is a graveyard effect cause it triggers during the next standby-phase and theres the difference to apprentice ??
greetz
Xe0
 
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-Xe0- said:
Yeah and i think that is exact the same situation like it is with Autonomous Action Unit.
Or does the Silent Swordman Lv5 got the special kind of effect that is always activ, on hand in grave or anywhere else ?? (or why it is protectet from cards like Exchange ???)

To the Topic of Phoenix:
Why is the effect treatet as a Graveyard effect and apprentice´s effect not ??
greetz
Xe0
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It's protected because of the Rulings :D! Sorry, but that's the best argument I can find.

Because Apprentice's rulings say that it does not matter where the Apprentice goes (RFG or Graveyard), it will get it's effect. The effect activates in the LIMBO :D!
 
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-Xe0- said:
@StRiKe_NiNjA:
If you read closely you will see that the effect of Silent Swordsman LV5 only protects him from youre opponents spellcards.

@masterwoo0:
At the moment when Autonomous Action Unit is destroyed the Monster is under my control (without meaning whos the owner) and the my opponent is the other player and so Silent Swordsman LV5 is protectet from my opponents spellcards... or am i worng ??
greetz
Xe0
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Hmmmm... Because his effect does not trigger from the Graveyard, He can be targeted by Autonomous Action Unit.

Silent Swordsman LV5 would normally be destroyed by the return to hand or destruction of Autonomous Action Unit, and it would stop being controlled by you, since it would be destroyed, and return to the owners Graveyard.

BUT... Silent Swordsmans effect prevents him from being destroyed by the effect of an opponents Spell Card. At the point when Autonomous Action Unit is destroyed, Silent Swordsman takes into account that he is no longer controlled by a Spell Card (continuous effect) that the opponent activated, he can prevent himself from being sent to the Graveyard by that cards effect.
 
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You say that the effect does not trigger from the graveyard, so he cant "remind" who is the opponent. Lets say Player A got the Swordsman in his Graveyard and its taken by Player B´s Action Unit, so Player A is the Opponent of the controller of the Swordsman, so the Swordsman protects himself from the Spellcards of Player A. Now the Action Unit is removed and so the Silent is destroyed because the Effect was from a spellcard of Player B (hes not protectet of). I see there no control-change or need of whos the owner, so "opponent" that is written on Swordsmans Text is in this case always Player A.
I really dont understand what you mean by "he is account to be no longer controlled...". Is the Swordsman able to look into future and protecting from this ??
greetz
Xe0
 
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To masterwoo0, check out the incorrect ruling from Card Registry:

You can Special Summon "Silent Swordsman LV5" with "Autonomous Action Unit". If "Autonomous Action Unit" is removed from the field, "Silent Swordsman LV5" is unaffected and remains on the field.


Then read the effect of Silent Swordsman LV5, it only prevents opponent's Spell Card effecting it. Now re-read the ruling.

So if you Special Summoned Silent Swordsman LV5 from your opponent's graveyard, then later Autonomous Action Unit is removed from the field, Silent Swordsman LV5 should be destroyed.
 
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also, Apprentice Magician does not NEED TO HIT THE GRAVEYARD TO WORK, it only needs to be destroyed by battle, so even if DDWL removes it, you still get a 2-star spellcaster in f/d defense.

EDIT: NetRep Card Registry sez:
Because "Apprentice Magician"'s effect is not a Graveyard effect, the controller of "Apprentice Magician" at the time it is destroyed as a result of battle gets its effect. So if I take control of my opponent's "Apprentice Magician", and it is destroyed as a result of battle, then I Special Summon, not the original owner.

while Sacred Phoenix of Nephtys is a graveyard effect, unlike Apprentice Magician, so there you have it

-chaosruler
 
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Thx for all replys!
On the one side we got a complicatet ruling about the Phoenix and on the other side a (so it finally seems to me) incorrect ruling in the card registry about Lv5 and Action Unit. (May someone report this please :) )
The only subject i wish i get some knowledge about is, why the Silent Swordsman LV5 is protectet from Exchange. Can anyone answer this??
Or does this ruling mean that Lv5 is also protectet from my spellcards that my opponent crontrols ??
greetz & thx
Xe0
 
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StRiKe_NiNjA said:
So if you Special Summoned Silent Swordsman LV5 from your opponent's graveyard, then later Autonomous Action Unit is removed from the field, Silent Swordsman LV5 should be destroyed.
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That cant be true because if you "really" controlled/owned Silent Swordsman LV5, then when Autonomous Action Unit was destroyed, Silent Swordsman LV5 would go to "your" Graveyard.

Since you dont own Silent Swordsman LV5, when he tries to go to the Graveyard of his real owner, he can then activate his effect to negate the destruction part of Autonomous Action Unit's effect, because you are the controller of AAU and the opponent now.

Here is a ruling from the Judges List, and the Pre Release Rulings for SS LV5:


Personally I think the card text is quite clear on this but there was some
discussion about its use yesterday at an FET Sneak preview.... Which I
enjoyed thoroughly by the way.

Would Silent Swordsman LV 5 be affected by cards such as Messenger of
Peace, Level Limit Area B, etc. if played by the swordsmans owner?

So in the case of Level Limit Area B, it would turn to defense position?

Thanks

Robert Esbensen
Level 1

Silent Swordsman LV5
"This card is unaffected by your opponent's Spell Cards. If this card successfully
attacks your opponent's Life Points directly, during your next Standby Phase,
send this face-up card to the Graveyard to Special Summon 1 "Silent Swordsman LV7" from your hand or Deck.




Answer:

While YOU control "Silent Swordsman LV5" it will be affected by Spell Cards that YOU control.

If you control a face-up "Level Limit - Area B," any face-up "Silent
Swordsman LV5" you control will be forced into Defense Position.

If you control a face-up "Messenger of Peace," any "Silent Swordsman LV5"
you control will not be able to attack. (Unless, of course, its ATK has dropped
below 1500)

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Official UDE Netrepâ„¢
CurtisSchultz_netrep@hotmail.com


FET-EN008 Silent Swordsman LV5

Just like "The Legendary Fisherman" and other monsters that are
unaffected by Spell Cards, "Silent Swordsman LV5" can attack normally if
your opponent has "Swords of Revealing Light" on the field, and its
controller is unaffected by effects like "Toll" and "Gravekeeper's
Servant" when "Silent Swordsman LV5" attacks.

If you control "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" and "Silent Swordsman LV5", and
your opponent activates "Fissure", the monster with the lowest ATK is
"Silent Swordsman LV5", but it is unaffected by Spell Cards, so the
effect of "Fissure" Disappears.

"Silent Swordsman LV5" is unaffected by Spell Cards your opponent
controls, including those in your opponent's hand due to "Exchange" or
"Graverobber".

You can Special Summon "Silent Swordsman LV5" with "Autonomous Action
Unit". If "Autonomous Action Unit" is removed from the field, "Silent
Swordsman LV5" is unaffected and remains on the field.
 
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