Rule on priority

[Schwarz]

A couple of questions since some people just don't understand and i need answers from an official source.

First, i need to know if this is right, i read it in a site (not the official one) and i agree with what it says...anyway, here it is:

"Well because summons, draws, attacks, phase/step changes, discards, etc. do not have speeds. You cannot actually chain to something which has no speed, thus you cannot chain to a summon, draw, chain, attack, phase/step change, discard, etc..

The good thing about responding, however, is that you can basically respond to almost anything. You can respond to a summon, a change in phase/step, the end of a chain, a card being sent to the Graveyard, drawing a card, etc. Basically, if you can do it or declare it, you can respond to it. Keep in mind, however, that when you respond, it has already taken place, so when you are responding to a phase change from Main Phase 1 to Battle Phase, your response is taking place in the Battle Phase, not Main Phase 1. "

So, what this means is that even if its not your turn, u can activate traps or quick-play magic cards (provided they were set before) anytime, right? u don't need to wait for the turn player to do something? For example, in my opponents draw phase, i can activate "Call of the Haunted" to bring one of my monsters from the graveyard to the field even if my opponent didn't do anything?

Or...lets put it this way...if my opponent draws a cards, and decides to pass the turn, i have the chance to do something in any of his phases, right? like activating a trap before he ends his turn 'cause he has to pass priority sooner or later in his turn?

Well, that's it
Thanks.

 

[StRiKe_NiNjA]

make sense. Turn player draws in draw phase. Does that mean that non-turn player now have priority or does turn player have priority?

The Turn Player always has priority.

 

[novastar]

No, you must draw that card.

Also note that, the Non-Turn Player can activate Drop Off "before" the actual card is drawn.

Just letting you know.

No, Drop Off is played in response to drawing a card, it has specific timing, you cannot activate it before the draw.

Yes, the Turn Player can activate in response to the draw, prior to Drop Off being activated.

 

[Evil Fiber Jar]

Is the Draw phase an action?

I have a fellow judge who says Non-turn player has priority in the draw phase because they are responding to the draw/draw phase.

What is the official ruling on this?

 

[novastar]

With the pattern you describe it leaves this gap in between the declaration of the summon and the actual summon (not saying that the gap isn't there) and it's leading some people to believe that their opponent shouldn't get to see what's being summoned before activating Horn of Heaven or the like. Or that they tribute a monster first, wait to see if thier opponent is going to use one of the two cards and THEN Summon the monster.

There is no gap per se, but we allow for an activation window where the monster is trying to resolve to the field. That is where the summon negators are played.

Let's suppose that player 1 tries to tribute summon Mobius and player 2 responds with solemn, then player 1 chains with seven tools to negate solemn. Would Mobius still get it's effect?

If novastar is correct, the answer would be "Yes" since the last thing to happen was the summon. If Digital Jedi is correct then Mobius would miss it's timing since the last things to occur are seven tools resolving and solemn resolving without effect. So the answer would be "No".

Yes, Mobuis would be Tribute Summoned successfully and his effect would Trigger. Seven Tools negated Solemn, so the summon completes.

 

[novastar]

Fiber Jar[/ycard]]Is the Draw phase an action?

I have a fellow judge who says Non-turn player has priority in the draw phase because they are responding to the draw/draw phase.

What is the official ruling on this?

Drawing a card in the Draw Phase is an action, that is what Drop Off responds to. You cannot activate it any other time.

That is the Official Ruling.

As far a Priority is concerned, i've never seen it discussed, but going with Priority after a summon and using it here, why would it be any different?

The Turn Player should have the right to activate first.

 

[yugi]

No need to answer these questions, novastar did a great job. But I'll add a couple of side things.

Drawing is the first thing to happen on a person's turn, unless an effect such as Hino-Kagu-Tsuchi specifically says that it activates before the draw.

The information on priority is still rather sparse, even though many claimed to understand it completely. In the past, I've looked extensively to try to find out who has priority on many occasions such as after the draw and didn't find anything "official". But it seems to be widely accepted that turn player has prior after the draw.

Why would you want to activate something before they played Drop Off?

yugi

 

[StRiKe_NiNjA]

No, Drop Off is played in response to drawing a card, it has specific timing, you cannot activate it before the draw.

Yes, the Turn Player can activate in response to the draw, prior to Drop Off being activated.

Are you sure?

I was following this ruling from a thread created awhile ago.

That's a unique one, but I would say no, since the card you drew during your Draw Phase is no longer in your hand when Drop Off resolves.

Also, Drop Off can be played anytime during the opponents Draw Phase as long as he has not exited that particular phase, so you dont necessarily have to activate directly after the Draw itself.

After masterwoo0 posted the reply, you replied afterwards.

masterwooO is correct.

So I thought that was correct.

 

[krazykidpsx]

you just have to read the text on Drop Off.

it doesnt state activate immediatly it states.

this card can only be activated in your opponents draw phase.

even after they draw.

only because you draw doesnt mean you step out of the phase.

its draw, "can i move on to my stand by", i saw no i would like to activate Drop Off. this then activates and the card draw by the opponent has to be discarded.

why is it that the card if it is a quickplay be able to activate? because the card hit your hand not directly the graveyard.

 

[novastar]

"This card is activated during the opponent's Draw Phase in response to the opponent drawing a card. It is not chained to the draw."

That means it must be during the Response Chain in response to the opponent drawing a card.

That is the timing.

 

[novastar]

Are you sure?

I was following this ruling from a thread created awhile ago.



After masterwoo0 posted the reply, you replied afterwards.



So I thought that was correct.

I was probably refering to the first statement. The second is incorrect.

 

[krazykidpsx]

If the fifth and final piece of Exodia is drawn, the opponent wins before the effect of "Drop Off" is resolved.

that is mest up.

i know its a condition, but man, that not kool. if your responding to the action wouldnt the action not be done untill everything is complete and capable of moving on?

 

[John Danker]

If the fifth and final piece of Exodia is drawn, the opponent wins before the effect of "Drop Off" is resolved.

that is mest up.

i know its a condition, but man, that not kool. if your responding to the action wouldnt the action not be done untill everything is complete and capable of moving on?

The first ruling of Drop Off shows quite clearly why one wins by the special condition victory of Exodia....

1 The card discarded by the effect of "Drop Off" is considered to be discarded from your hand, not your Deck. If "Penguin Knight" is the card discarded, its effect will not activate. If "Electric Snake", "Regenerating Mummy", or "Fear from the Dark" is the card discarded, its effect will activate.

It's considered to be discarded from your hand, in other words, it's considered to be added to your hand. That is all that is required to claim the special condition victory.