The End Of Anubis & Exiled Force

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In the game F.A.Q., in the second paragraph the text about Skill Drain says:

? "Skill Drain" negates the effects of face-up Effect Monsters on the field, but does not negate effects ?that activate in the Graveyard?, such as "Witch of the Black Forest", "Sangan", "Mystic Tomato", "Giant Rat", "Exiled Force", "Sinister Serpent", and "Vampire Lord".

That text says in a clear form that the ?effect? of Exiled Force activates in the graveyard in a very textual form, that which confirmate that as the effect of Exiled Force activates in the graveyard, The End of Anubis negates this effect.

To confirm these text, I say that one thing in many cards is activate the effect, other thing is the cost of effect's activation, and other thing is the activation of the card; if a card have a cost to activate, the player pays first the cost and if the opponent not chain a counter trap, its ?effect? resolves in a correct form, that is to say, first goes the cost and after the activation of the ?effect? of the card, ?that is different that the activation of a card?, that is to say that Exiled Force effect have a cost, and then, if the opponent not chain Divine Wrath, the effect activates normally, and then, at that time, Exiled Force is in the graveyard when the effect of destroy 1 monster on the field is activated.

Please respond me in this forum, because,in tournament many times I have lost because according to the approach of a judge the "effect" of Exiled Force not activates in the graveyard.

Please, is better if an official upperdeck judge responds me, to confirm my question in legal form.

David Tarazona
YU-GI-OH UpperDeck Judge LEVEL 2

Thank you
 
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Madma said:
Toc toc! Excuse me...

I suppose you have already discussed about the two new answers given via e-mail about The End of Anubis.

Can someone tell me the right answer? Does The End of Anubis negate the effect of Exiled Force and Cannon Soldier??
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According to the info at large, yes. The End of Anubis does in fact negate Exiled Force, and a tributed Cannon Soldier.
 
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What we all agree to is that there isnt much logic to clearly explain why we are wrong and the more correct (because the way its worded, this has always been true) ruling is right.

I have always attempted to find a solution, a logical one, to most queries on this site. While I am not always 100% correct, I can only try to be as "correct" as the situation dictates.

Before a few days ago, most people believed that Exiled Force was a field effect. Most people will still believe it is, and incorrectly rule it as such even after finding out its not.

While logic is not always clear cut or defined, somewhere there is a key to it all, and one only has to look hard enough before the key and the magic door is opened.

Everyone has to do what works best for them when it comes to absorbing the latest changes....
 
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If Exile Force actavates in the Graveyard then if Banisher of light is on the field you would not get Exile Force effect. Since Exile never went to the graveyard.
 
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BURN said:
If Exile Force actavates in the Graveyard then if Banisher of light is on the field you would not get Exile Force effect. Since Exile never went to the graveyard.
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No it would still get it's effect.

The "catalyst" for Exiled Force is it tributing itself for its cost it doesn't matter where it goes. If banisher of light is on the field then Exiled Force's effect is activated in the RFG zone, now if a card comes out that negates cards that activate when RFG Exiled Force would be negated.

Think of The End of Anubis as saying that: "negates the effects of cards in the graveyard at activation"
 
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densetsu_x said:
This ruling was based upon the same logic as is "Exiled Force". You remove the card from play so that it activates in the "Removed from Play" zone rather than the Graveyard so "The End of Anubis" would not negate it. So Peten isn't a Graveyard effect, it's a "Removed from Play" effect

Feel free to use the same debate with E-Force as you do with this. :)
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Wow, once again...ridiculous.
 
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More cards that don't mean what they say? Thunder Dragon. If Bannisher of the Light is face up on the field you still get Thunder Dragon's effect if you send it from your hand....and it goes to the RFP pile.
 
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I would have figured that one would have worked no matter what.

Thunder Dragon's effect doesn't seem dependant on it reaching the Graveyard. That has always seemed like a hand effect to me, similar to Kuriboh.

Everything is getting fuzzy... i knew there was a reason i play Vs. now... lol
 
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There is no errata that can make it clear.

This would fall under game mechanics.

100.1 In the case of manually Activated or Trigger Monster Effects, at the time activation is fully completed, the location of the Monster Card that generated the effect is considered location of the effect.

That seems to sum it up.
 
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novastar said:
There is no errata that can make it clear.

This would fall under game mechanics.

100.1 In the case of manually Activated or Trigger Monster Effects, at the time activation is fully completed, the location of the Monster Card that generated the effect is considered location of the effect.

That seems to sum it up.
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There's no way I could've said a statement upon this topic better than you have, novastar. That's a good way to sum all of it.

I guess it's safe to follow the way Exiled Force was ruled Vs The End of Anubis huh?

I run 3 End of Anubis(s) anyway LoL for Advanced Zombies and the Magician of Faith(s) that seen alot of play lately.
 
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I'm glad you approve :)

It still doesn't make a lot of sense.

What seems clear to me, is that Konami is trying to change the game to further seperate YGO's mechanics from other games.

Oh well...
 
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since you posted a mechanic, the ruling seems completly correct.

i guess in a way its correct to say that x-forces effect is a "where it ends up at effect"

meaning, if End of Anubis is on the field and it lands in the graveyard then its graveyard effect and hence force negated.

If end of anubis and Banisher of light is on the field then when e-force lands in the RFP location then EoA cant negate it since it isnt in the graveyard.

okay. aslong as it makes perfect sence its koo.

the effect no longer is troublesome.

in a way it makes completly sence, if the card states that it has to be in the graveyard to use its effect and remain in the graveyard then its a graveyard effect.

IF the effect states that it can activate in the graveyard to remove its self to RFP then its a Remove From Play effect.

thanks for putting that up ey. makes stuff very clear.
 
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because thouse effects arnt "They must be in your graveyard" effect

they just have to be tributed with requirements.

"Each time you or your opponent activates 1 Spell Card, put 1 Spell Counter on this card (max. 3). Tribute this card with 3 Spell Counters on it to Special Summon 1 "Dark Magician" from your hand, Deck, or Graveyard. "

see the effect spefies that it just has to be tributed it doesnt matter to whos graveyard it goes. now if End of Anubis is on the field then oviously you wouldnt get the effect because its finishing off in a graveyard.

but if its going out of play then it wouldnt get negated.

now im going to edit the text so that the owner get the effect and you will notice a big difference.

"Each time you or your opponent activates 1 Spell Card, put 1 Spell Counter on this card (max. 3). You can tribute with 3 spell counters. When this card is tributed with 3 spell counters and goes to your graveyard. Special Summon 1 "Dark Magician" from your hand, Deck, or Graveyard. "

notice a big difference now.
 
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possible situations.

Bls on the field

you book it so it doesnt kill you.

you summon end of anubis, on their turn whey they activate the remove effect you can ring it to have it in the graveyard.

which would make anubis negate it.

woah, thats super odd huh.
 
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krazykidpsx said:
possible situations.

Bls on the field

you book it so it doesnt kill you.

you summon end of anubis, on their turn whey they activate the remove effect you can ring it to have it in the graveyard.

which would make anubis negate it.

woah, thats super odd huh.
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No. End of Anubis only negates effect that activate when the card in question is in the graveyard. BLS was on the field when it activated its effect, It will only be in the graveyard for it's resolution.
 
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krazykidpsx said:
you summon end of anubis, on their turn whey they activate the remove effect you can ring it to have it in the graveyard.

which would make anubis negate it.

woah, thats super odd huh.
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BLS-EoTb of course was a field activated effect, Ring of Destruction hasn't done you any good... only that you have just dealt 3000 points of damage to both players :D

Exiled Force however is a different case.

You tribute this 1 card face-up in order to "activate" the effect.

First action is tributing this 1 card face-up, where is it now? In the graveyard of course where it's effect just "happened" to be activating. Which The End of Anubis negates.
 
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okay so to be a bit more clearer. only cards that send them selfs to the graveyard if they make it to the graveyard incase it isnt a graveyard effect get their effects negated.

closer and closer. were getting an answer
 
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