The End Of Anubis & Exiled Force

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In the game F.A.Q., in the second paragraph the text about Skill Drain says:

? "Skill Drain" negates the effects of face-up Effect Monsters on the field, but does not negate effects ?that activate in the Graveyard?, such as "Witch of the Black Forest", "Sangan", "Mystic Tomato", "Giant Rat", "Exiled Force", "Sinister Serpent", and "Vampire Lord".

That text says in a clear form that the ?effect? of Exiled Force activates in the graveyard in a very textual form, that which confirmate that as the effect of Exiled Force activates in the graveyard, The End of Anubis negates this effect.

To confirm these text, I say that one thing in many cards is activate the effect, other thing is the cost of effect's activation, and other thing is the activation of the card; if a card have a cost to activate, the player pays first the cost and if the opponent not chain a counter trap, its ?effect? resolves in a correct form, that is to say, first goes the cost and after the activation of the ?effect? of the card, ?that is different that the activation of a card?, that is to say that Exiled Force effect have a cost, and then, if the opponent not chain Divine Wrath, the effect activates normally, and then, at that time, Exiled Force is in the graveyard when the effect of destroy 1 monster on the field is activated.

Please respond me in this forum, because,in tournament many times I have lost because according to the approach of a judge the "effect" of Exiled Force not activates in the graveyard.

Please, is better if an official upperdeck judge responds me, to confirm my question in legal form.

David Tarazona
YU-GI-OH UpperDeck Judge LEVEL 2

Thank you
 
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I don't think it's that confusing.

It only seems like a rational reason why Exiled Force would be negated by The End of Anubis.

You tribute Exiled Force from the field and it ends up in the graveyard while it's activating.

To be honest, the Skill Drain ruling doesn't even support that Exiled Force is indeed a graveyard effect.
 
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Let me rephrase it then. It is an effect that activates off the field. That is happens to be in the graveyard (or rfg) is because of the cost that had to be paid to activate it.

When I say graveyard effect, I am referring to those monsters that have to have been sent to the graveyard by whatever means is described on the card in order to activate their effect. I.E. sangan, witch, pyramid turtle, mystic tomato, etc.

Any monster that tributes itself will activate wherever it ends up based upon the game state at that point, normally the graveyard, unless something sends it to rfg instead, because the cost has to be paid to activate its effect.

If activation, as some are saying comes before you pay the cost, why then is the cost not negated when you play a card that has the effect: negate the activation and effect of ..... ? It is because the cost is paid before the activation of the effect.
 
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papewaio, your missing the point here.

Ignition Effects are effects that activate on the field, where it goes is irrelevent. Exiled Force is still an Ignition Effect, an effect activated on the field.

For me, I'm trying to make sense of what the ruling is trying to say, because Exiled Force is NOT a Graveyard Effect, or an effect that so happens to be "in the graveyard" when it activates. All these cases are untrue.

Exiled Force
Earth/4/1000Atk/1000Def
[Warrior/Effect]
Tribute this face-up card. Destroy 1 monster on the field.

You tribute this one card on the field to activate it. You've chosen to activate the effect on the field, and it will be an effect activated on the field. It isn't a graveyard effect because it hasn't "activated" in the graveyard or in a sense "in the graveyard" when it activates. It was chosen to be activated on the field so it will be a field effect.
 
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StRiKe_NiNjA said:
papewaio, your missing the point here.

Ignition Effects are effects that activate on the field, where it goes is irrelevent. Exiled Force is still an Ignition Effect, an effect activated on the field.

For me, I'm trying to make sense of what the ruling is trying to say, because Exiled Force is NOT a Graveyard Effect, or an effect that so happens to be "in the graveyard" when it activates. All these cases are untrue.

Exiled Force
Earth/4/1000Atk/1000Def
[Warrior/Effect]
Tribute this face-up card. Destroy 1 monster on the field.

You tribute this one card on the field to activate it. You've chosen to activate the effect on the field, and it will be an effect activated on the field. It isn't a graveyard effect because it hasn't "activated" in the graveyard or in a sense "in the graveyard" when it activates. It was chosen to be activated on the field so it will be a field effect.
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I think the main problem here is that it ISNT a Graveyard effect since it doesnt need to go to the Graveyard to activate. It can be removed from play and still activate the effect, just as if Kuriboh was removed from play when it was discarded, instead of going to the Graveyard.

If you tribute Exiled, and it so happens to go to the Graveyard, then that is where it is when you choose the monster you wish to destroy, so the effect would then "activate" in the Graveyard.
 
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sorry to take this to an extreme (again), but if they rule Exiled Force as a Graveyard effect, then wouldn't (again, this is to an extreme) it activate any old time it was sent to the graveyard, hence, for example, violating game mechanics since it was tributed for 1 monster, but counted as 2 tributes

again, that was to an extreme, but I just want to know your thoughts on this extreme

-chaosruler
 
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...and yes, Peten's effect is supposed to be Graveyard Trigger, removing him as cost does not change that.

The problem i see, is that they are blatently disregarding that the effects of these monsters seperate themselves from the card that generates them.

So once manually activated or triggered, that is the location, where the actual card ends up after that is irrelevent.

It's like saying that if i activate Ememy Controller and sent Witch to the Graveyard, and then chain Strike Ninja to it, removing Witch, her effect is activating from RFP, which it is not.

That is my thought on it.
 
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I don't know if this was asked already, this thread is too long, but anyways if Exiled Force activates once it hits the graveyard does that mean it doesn't work if Banisher of the Light is on the field? for example, I have BLS and Banisher on the field ( I know, it's a wierd combo) and my opponent summons Exiled Force, can he/she tribute Exiled Force to destroy my BLS?
 
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Dan the Homunculus Man said:
I don't know if this was asked already, this thread is too long, but anyways if Exiled Force activates once it hits the graveyard does that mean it doesn't work if Banisher of the Light is on the field? for example, I have BLS and Banisher on the field ( I know, it's a wierd combo) and my opponent summons Exiled Force, can he/she tribute Exiled Force to destroy my BLS?
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Read back through the thread, yes, I know it's long but you have to get the full effect just so you can chime in and give your two cents worth after having exhausted yoru brain <laffin>
 
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Holy scouts John! (This is AJ from the FET Preview..) What in the blazing heck is Konami thinking? This is the first I've heard about this issue and even before this came up I always ruled in my local tournament that The End of Anubis wouldn't negate Exiled Force.

I've aGreed with everything that's been said here. Graveyard Effects are those that activate and resolve in the Graveyard. (If my brain is still working from reading all that it would cover Witch and Sangan as Graveyard Effects.)

Now if The End of Anubis negates cards like Exiled Force's effect, wouldn't it also negate some Flip Effects? According to the Battle Phase mechanics, Flip Effect monsters technically activate in Step 4 of the Battle Phase. So that means they would be in the Graveyard right? So from with what little brain power my brain has left, wouldn't The End of Anubis negate Flip Effect monsters? Of course it would negate Magician of Faith and Mask of Darkness because they target a Spell/Trap card in the Graveyard. With that being said wouldn't it be save for me to assume that other Flip Effects would fall under this same category?

I am just wondering because if that's the case then The End of Anubis is a might behemoth of power just waiting to be abused by Beatdowns, Controls, and all sorts of decks alike. *Thinks about Gravekeeper decks now while assuming that he is correct but isn't putting it past him to be wrong either..* xD

Nothing more fun than tackling tough rulings.
 
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Tkwiget said:
Now if The End of Anubis negates cards like Exiled Force's effect, wouldn't it also negate some Flip Effects? According to the Battle Phase mechanics, Flip Effect monsters technically activate in Step 4 of the Battle Phase. So that means they would be in the Graveyard right? So from with what little brain power my brain has left, wouldn't The End of Anubis negate Flip Effect monsters? Of course it would negate Magician of Faith and Mask of Darkness because they target a Spell/Trap card in the Graveyard. With that being said wouldn't it be save for me to assume that other Flip Effects would fall under this same category?
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No, there effects are activated on the field, since Flip Effects are flipped face-up on the field when there effects trigger. Can't flip a Flip Effect monster if it is in the graveyard... LoL So The End of Anubis will not negate effect of Cyber Jar, Dice Jar, Morphing Jar, etc.
 
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Ok, I knew I was wrong. Just wanted to bring that up in case someone else did. xD Sorry if I looked stupid. Heck, only Level 1 Judge.

But still, they need to change this so that Exiled Force is not negated by The End of Anubis because the mechanics don't support it. I've always ruled it never negated Exiled Force in the first place because I thought long and hard on how would The End of Anubis negate Exiled Force anyway. All the fingers point to it doesn't. So IMO it doesn't. I say all the judges just judge that this The End of Anubis doesn't negate Exiled Force and I am sure if a large number of us agree on this that they might stick their pipe where it counts. Lol..

Anyway..Good luck on whoever is challenging this ruling. Lol..
 
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Haha Level 1 Judges are cool, because I'm not a judge at all. Haha but I do know little of the ruling of this game.

I don't get this ruling either.

You chosen to activate it effects by tributing it, the only way to do that is while Exiled Force is face-up on the field, and all of this happening and is chosen on the field.
 
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Tkwiget said:
Ok, I knew I was wrong. Just wanted to bring that up in case someone else did. xD Sorry if I looked stupid. Heck, only Level 1 Judge.

But still, they need to change this so that Exiled Force is not negated by The End of Anubis because the mechanics don't support it. I've always ruled it never negated Exiled Force in the first place because I thought long and hard on how would The End of Anubis negate Exiled Force anyway. All the fingers point to it doesn't. So IMO it doesn't. I say all the judges just judge that this The End of Anubis doesn't negate Exiled Force and I am sure if a large number of us agree on this that they might stick their pipe where it counts. Lol..

Anyway..Good luck on whoever is challenging this ruling. Lol..
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Yeah, but if we did that you just no some kid whos read about this but doesn't care to understand it will argue and insist that we follow Kevin and Curtis' stance on it and then go round saying what a crap Judge we are, we don't even follow UDE rulings, etc...
Think a mass spammage, of Questions seeking clarifaction of the logic behind this dodgy ruling and giving examples of where other cards are ruled differently even though the mechanics should be the same, to the Judgelist would be more effective.
 
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Actually they dont need to change this ruling because it makes perfect sense how it is. The reason why is because to activate Exiled Force's effect you have to do 2 things 1. tribute Exiled Force 2. designate a target. Since tributing Exiled Force is a cost of activation you do that first so now exiled force is in the graveyard however exiled force isnt done activating yet because he hasnt choosen a target so hes in the graveyard while activating making him be negated by end of anubis.
 
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ilikepiesodie said:
Actually they dont need to change this ruling because it makes perfect sense how it is. The reason why is because to activate Exiled Force's effect you have to do 2 things 1. tribute Exiled Force 2. designate a target. Since tributing Exiled Force is a cost of activation you do that first so now exiled force is in the graveyard however exiled force isnt done activating yet because he hasnt choosen a target so hes in the graveyard while activating making him be negated by end of anubis.
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This would then mean that costs are paid before activation whereas the UDE website says they're paid at activation, as in simultaineously.
 
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daivahataka said:
This would then mean that costs are paid before activation whereas the UDE website says they're paid at activation, as in simultaineously.
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And if costs and activation are simultaneous, why isn't the cost refunded when the activation and effect of a card is negated? It isn't refunded, because you pay the cost first, then you may activate the card's effect.
 
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