Ultimate Offering vs. Trap Hole

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Raigekick

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If monsters are Normal Summon/Tribute Summon with the help of "Ultimate Offering", chain linked to each other, will "Trap Hole" only destroy the last monster Normal Summoned or Tribute Summon by the effect of "Ultimate Offering"?



Situation 1.
I have an "Ultimate Offering" Active on the field.

On my Main Phase 1, I summoned "Sangan"
I used my priority to activate the effect of UO.
Opponent did not respond
I used the effect of UO and added it in the chain
Opponent chains with "Trap Hole"
Neither player Chains.

On resolution:
CL3: "Trap Hole" will destroy "Sangan"
CL2: I Normal Summon "Gemini Elf"
CL1: I Normal Summon "Mad Dog"

Is this correct?


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Situation 2.
I have an "Ultimate Offering" Active on the field

On my Main Phase 1, I summoned "Sangan"
I pass on my priority and Opponent did not respond
I activate the effect of UO.
Opponent did not respond
I used the effect of UO and added it in the chain
Neither player Chains.

On resolution:
CL2: I Normal Summon "Gemini Elf"
CL1: I Normal Summon "Mad Dog"
Oponent responds with "Trap Hole"

Can Opponent decide which one "Trap Hole" will target?
Can Opponent chains a second "Trap Hole" to the first one?


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Situation 3.
I have an "Ultimate Offering" Active on the field

On my Main Phase 1, I summoned "Sangan"
I pass on my priority and Opponent did not respond
I activate the effect of UO.
Opponent did not respond
I used the effect of UO and added it in the chain
Neither player Chains.

On resolution:
CL2: I Normal Summon "Gemini Elf"
CL1: I Normal Summon "Mad Dog"
Oponent responds with "Bottomless Trap Hole"

Will "Bottomless Trap Hole" destroy both monsters?


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One last question on Ultimate Offering:

If I activate Ultimate offering on my turn, without chaining it to a summons or event, can my opponent activate bottomless traphole to destroy all the monsters summoned, or just the last monster?


1) Is each summons an individual event (like magical scientist)? Or,

2) Are all the extra normal summons part of a single event (like cyber jar)?
 
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Situation 1 would not be correct since the opponent already passed on the opportunity to respond with "Trap Hole" against "Sangan". Further in that example, since "Ultimate Offering" was activated and resolved, "Sangan" being summoned isn't even the last thing to occur.

In situation 2, "Trap Hole" would only affect the last monster you summoned.

In situation 3, "Bottomless Trap Hole" would again only affect the last monster summoned in the chain in this case since the 2 were not summoned simultaneously. This example is closer to the "Activate Monster Reborn, Chain Call of the Haunted", after chain resolves, BTH is activated... according to the ruling only the monster brought back from "Monster Reborn" is removed from play. This differs from chaining "Call of the Haunted" to an activated "Bottomless Trap Hole" since then BTH can remove the monster brought back by CotH (the timing is correct on that) as well as the monster that BTH was originally responding to (this was on the judges list). The difference is the timing of the summoned monsters... ones summoned on a chain with BTH activated afterwards will only be removed if they are the last one(s) to be summoning in that particular section of the chain.
 
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densetsu_x said:
Situation 1 would not be correct since the opponent already passed on the opportunity to respond with "Trap Hole" against "Sangan". Further in that example, since "Ultimate Offering" was activated and resolved, "Sangan" being summoned isn't even the last thing to occur.
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Ultimate offering started the response chain, and trap hole was chained to it (Ultimate offering did not resolve): It will work
 
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Raigekick said:
On my Main Phase 1, I summoned "Sangan"
I used my priority to activate the effect of UO.
Opponent did not respond
I used the effect of UO and added it in the chain
Opponent chains with "Trap Hole"
Neither player Chains.
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Perhaps you'd best rephrase this question making sure you use the correct terminology. It's difficult to tell weather Ultimate Offering was already face up and had been activated previously or weather you flipped it face up after summoning Sangan. After you clarify this it will be much easier to give you the correct answer.
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
Each summon is an individual event, you may only summon one monster for each 500 LP. If you pay multiples Ultimate Offering Chains to itself.
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so let me get this straight you can use ultimate offering as many times as you want in the turn right?
and since its a trap its spell speed 2 so you can activate it on your oppoents turn
 
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Okay, I'm just going to assume that everything this card says is completly meaningless and just ask all you guys what it really does. As far as I'm concerened the card might as well say Snootchi Bootchies.

Alright, you can pay to have an extra Normal Summon during your Main Phase 1 and 2, your opponents Battle Phase but not yours. And you can pay multiple times in a turn? Are you serious? You mean it works just like Scientist? Man, if I'm gonna run this card right I better get it straight.

DaGuyWitBluGlasses suggested that if you pay multiples of 500 that it causes a chain to each other. Wouldn't you have to wait for your opponent to respond.
 
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Yes. Your opponent can add to the chain and you would have to pay the 500 each time it was your turn to add a chain link. You can't just state "I pay 1500 life and summon 3 monsters."
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Okay, I'm just going to assume that everything this card says is completly meaningless and just ask all you guys what it really does. As far as I'm concerened the card might as well say Snootchi Bootchies.

Alright, you can pay to have an extra Normal Summon during your Main Phase 1 and 2, your opponents Battle Phase but not yours. And you can pay multiple times in a turn? Are you serious? You mean it works just like Scientist? Man, if I'm gonna run this card right I better get it straight.

DaGuyWitBluGlasses suggested that if you pay multiples of 500 that it causes a chain to each other. Wouldn't you have to wait for your opponent to respond.
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Yup...

If you wanted to Normal Summon or Set 4 monsters with it...it would look like this...

[Chain Link 1] Ultimate Offering (Pay 500 LP, declare Witch)
[Chain Link 2] Ultimate Offering (Pay 500 LP, declare Sangan)
[Chain Link 3] Ultimate Offering (Pay 500 LP, declare Gemini Elf)
[Chain Link 4] Ultimate Offering (Pay 500 LP, declare Archfiend Soldier)

You can also get around MST by chaining another activation of UO to it, and have it resolve first before MST.

Hope that helps
 
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John Danker said:
Perhaps you'd best rephrase this question making sure you use the correct terminology. It's difficult to tell weather Ultimate Offering was already face up and had been activated previously or weather you flipped it face up after summoning Sangan. After you clarify this it will be much easier to give you the correct answer.
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John, If you read the line above the text you quoted, I stated the "Ultimate Offering" was Active in the field. Player A only use its effect on MP1. :)
Guys, I still need clear cut answer on this please.
 
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Just to clarifiy something for me, in Raigekick's first Situation each time he uses Ultimate Offering's effect he wait's for his opponent to respond. But I'm getting the impression from some of you that he doesn't have to wait for his opponent to respond and can just chain as many Normal Summons as he chooses and then pass to to his opponent. Which is correct?
 
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Raigekick said:
You have to wait for your opponent to respond and add someting in the chain block. This is how the chaining game mechanic works for YGO.
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We'll that's what I thought, but it seem's this paticular card defies the mechanics of YGO. :eek:
 
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I thought I got this down already, but got confused again. How about this scenario:



Situation 4.
I have an "Ultimate Offering" Active on the field.

On my Main Phase 1, I summoned "Sangan"
I used my priority to use the effect of UO.
Opponent chains with "Trap Hole"
I used the effect of UO and added it in the chain again.
Neither player Chains.

On resolution:
CL2: I Normal Summon "Gemini Elf"
CL2: "Trap Hole" will destroy "Sangan"

Will "Sangan" still be destroyed, or will "Gemini Elf" be destroyed now?



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