Yugioh Tournaments.

[Tiso]

Its not sad. Jeremy is that good. His only problem is, when he doesnt want to play anymore, he'll quit in the middle of a Tournament. Again, this is no different than the "astute" comment. You can't have it both ways Tiso. You're either with us, or against us when it comes to recognizing and respecting other peoples skills and talents.

Baltimore is the area that brought about Shane Scurry. These is more than enough Pro Players here. To lessen his achievement is to say that 336 people where garbage players, and if a 8 year old can make it past only 9 people to Top 8, and then come in 2nd place, that's a good thing. He isnt playing all 300+ players, only 12.

No that is pretty in the fact that a little 8 year old, has such a card pool and resource to make a tourney winning Deck? Then has enough knowledge to effectively duel his way to that type of status and almost win it? That is just terrible to the rest of the dueling world. This is a kid. This is different from a player not being "astute" who is in the same age group or at least is in his/her teens. It is cool the kid is smart and is able to understand the complex nature of the game, but it is insulting to the majority of older players who can be beaten by a 8 year old kid. A 8 year old kid with I assuming a CC Deck like theirs. A CC Deck that almost won him a major tourney. That is just messed up.

 

[masterwoo0]

Then they are not spending THEIR money, but their parent's money who will also from time to time buy them a pack or two. But given the fact that packs are expensive and this is a rich man's game, how likely is a kid going to get into the game at age 6-8 with serious aspirations to go to SJC and win a nice new laptop and meet Kevin Tewart? I just do not see parents dumping hundreds of dollars into a TCG for their little kid who is not even mature enough to own a PSP.

Come on man... Regardless of how they get their cards, most parents are just happy to have their kids involved in something that helps them stay out of the streets doing things they shouldnt be doing.

I've talked to hundreds of parents who barely know ANYTHING about Yugioh, but I continue to see them bringing their kids and their kids friends to event after event, win or lose.

Not eveyone IS out to play this game to win. They just want to play, and its okay for them to go home after the day in 200th place. They had fun with a deck full of 8 star monsters and such, and that's all any parent wants for their kids!! For them to do something they enjoy, and have fun doing it. What parent wouldnt want to support their child if it keeps them out of the street or in front of the TV Set, and helps them build interpersonal relationships and other skills, as well as confidence?

Like I said, Jeremy plays at the store I play at. Most of his opponents are older kids, including myself. When he's not losing, he's winning. When he's not winning, we're helping him learn why. That may be insulting to other people who have ego's, but to me, he's just another player who happens to be younger than I am.

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

Then they are not spending THEIR money, but their parent's money who will also from time to time buy them a pack or two. But given the fact that packs are expensive and this is a rich man's game, how likely is a kid going to get into the game at age 6-8 with serious aspirations to go to SJC and win a nice new laptop and meet Kevin Tewart? I just do not see parents dumping hundreds of dollars into a TCG for their little kid who is not even mature enough to own a PSP.

Explain to me why you think the SJC or the tournament scene matters?

You're right they don't spend 100s of millions of dollars a year expecting to go to big tournaments, they just spend 100s of millions of dollars a year on cards.

My sports card collection was over 800 even though it was a very short phase for me.

Nobody ever expected to go to a big torunament by buying baseball cards now.

Konami is doing a good job at encouraging kids to buy Yugioh (or have bought for them) instead of any other TCG, or collectible cards. That's what Konami does.

There doesn't need to be any tournament scene for the cards to sell well.

The Top 8 of any major tournament are completely meaningless to the financial success of Yu-gi-oh.

 

[Tiso]

Explain to me why you think the SJC or the tournament scene matters?

You're right they don't spend 100s of millions of dollars a year expecting to go to big tournaments, they just spend 100s of millions of dollars a year on cards.

My sports card collection was over 800 even though it was a very short phase for me.

Nobody ever expected to go to a big torunament by buying baseball cards now.

Konami is doing a good job at encouraging kids to buy Yugioh (or have bought for them) instead of any other TCG, or collectible cards. That's what Konami does.

There doesn't need to be any tournament scene for the cards to sell well.

The Top 8 of any major tournament are completely meaningless to the financial success of Yu-gi-oh.

Are you like a rich person who thinks everyone has billions of dollars around the house or something? No one spending 100s of millions of dollars on YGO just for the cards. I am sorry but stop making bad exaggerated examples like that.

 

[Tiso]

Come on man... Regardless of how they get their cards, most parents are just happy to have their kids involved in something that helps them stay out of the streets doing things they shouldnt be doing.

I've talked to hundreds of parents who barely know ANYTHING about Yugioh, but I continue to see them bringing their kids and their kids friends to event after event, win or lose.

Not eveyone IS out to play this game to win. They just want to play, and its okay for them to go home after the day in 200th place. They had fun with a deck full of 8 star monsters and such, and that's all any parent wants for their kids!! For them to do something they enjoy, and have fun doing it. What parent wouldnt want to support their child if it keeps them out of the street or in front of the TV Set, and helps them build interpersonal relationships and other skills, as well as confidence?

Like I said, Jeremy plays at the store I play at. Most of his opponents are older kids, including myself. When he's not losing, he's winning. When he's not winning, we're helping him learn why. That may be insulting to other people who have ego's, but to me, he's just another player who happens to be younger than I am.

Oh I am all for the parent being thrilled about their little Timmy having a great time at a Sneak Peak or a Hobby League store. But am I going to believe the parent is going to take their little 8 year old child to some major tourney event, stay in a hotel, spend serious big bucks on acquiring a tourney winning Deck for their child who has no business having that much of a mental compacity to understand the complexities of a game like YGO at age 6-8? I think it is cool that this Jeremy is doing his thing at a young age, but at the end of the day that is just bad to the rest of the players. You are supposed to be an adult, yet you are getting schooled by a little kid who should be hooked on Pokemon and umm.... Barny and.... jeez what kids watch today... Power Rangers.

The fact that Jeremy went that far in that tourney you mentioned, and continues to win at your store shows how messed up this game is. A 8 year old with their parent's money can be just as good if not better than the older players? Something is wrong with that, big time.

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

Are you like a rich person who thinks everyone has billions of dollars around the house or something? No one spending 100s of millions of dollars on YGO just for the cards. I am sorry but stop making bad exaggerated examples like that.

The market of yugioh makes up about a 3rd of the annual North American TCG market's 800 million dollars.

233 million dollars per year for several years now = hundreds of millions of dollars.

No exaggerations. Plain and simple facts.

 

[Tiso]

Can you stop erasing my posts? Thank you.

 

[anthonyj]

Okay we get it. You like to trash the game that you spend dozens of hours a week talking about here. A gifted child should make adults feel bad about their own adequacy. The game isn't going to last much longer so why even try. And cards are trash unless someone else says they are trash.

-No win condition exists for this thread.-

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

Can you stop erasing my posts? Thank you.

If you don't want your posts erased you need to understand what debating is.

You're free to post defended/supported opinions.

You are not allowed to post arbitrary comments, you cannot jsut declare that's something's wrong because you don't like it.

I will not allow any comments of discrimination based on age.

 

[Tiso]

Explain to me why you think the SJC or the tournament scene matters?

You're right they don't spend 100s of millions of dollars a year expecting to go to big tournaments, they just spend 100s of millions of dollars a year on cards.

My sports card collection was over 800 even though it was a very short phase for me.

Nobody ever expected to go to a big torunament by buying baseball cards now.

Konami is doing a good job at encouraging kids to buy Yugioh (or have bought for them) instead of any other TCG, or collectible cards. That's what Konami does.

There doesn't need to be any tournament scene for the cards to sell well.

The Top 8 of any major tournament are completely meaningless to the financial success of Yu-gi-oh.

Come on man... Regardless of how they get their cards, most parents are just happy to have their kids involved in something that helps them stay out of the streets doing things they shouldnt be doing.

I've talked to hundreds of parents who barely know ANYTHING about Yugioh, but I continue to see them bringing their kids and their kids friends to event after event, win or lose.

Not eveyone IS out to play this game to win. They just want to play, and its okay for them to go home after the day in 200th place. They had fun with a deck full of 8 star monsters and such, and that's all any parent wants for their kids!! For them to do something they enjoy, and have fun doing it. What parent wouldnt want to support their child if it keeps them out of the street or in front of the TV Set, and helps them build interpersonal relationships and other skills, as well as confidence?

Like I said, Jeremy plays at the store I play at. Most of his opponents are older kids, including myself. When he's not losing, he's winning. When he's not winning, we're helping him learn why. That may be insulting to other people who have ego's, but to me, he's just another player who happens to be younger than I am.

That is cool that Jeremy is doing his thing at age 8. But he is a kid. There is something in the world if a 8 year old is able to go toe-toe with older teens and young adults in a serious competitive scene and almost win it. It just sends the message that as long as you got your parents money, you can have a tourney winning Deck. The more money you have the more success you will have. Woo, if you were in the final match of SJC and your opponent was 6 years old and he schools you 2-0. Are you not going to get upset? Question how a 6 year was able to make it past 200+ people with that Deck of his that contains every good and expensive card under the sun? That is bad if even a little kid can be a champion.

I am all for parents being thrilled about their kids when they take them to Sneak Peaks and Hobby League stores. But you know how parents get in those environments? How is that going to translate if the kid wants them to take them to a SJC tourney in which they have to fly a plane or drive a good distance to, stay in a hotel, spend a ton of money on an award winning tourney Deck? The parent must be crazy if they did that for their 8 year old. There are better things they could be doing to stay off the "streets" as you said.

 

[Tiso]

If you don't want your posts erased you need to understand what debating is.

You're free to post defended/supported opinions.

You are not allowed to post arbitrary comments, you cannot jsut declare that's something's wrong because you don't like it.

I will not allow any comments of discrimination based on age.

But obviously deleting the post because you cannot handle it is such a peach keen solution to it.

 

[anthonyj]

Your comments are insulting and inflammatory. I would be mortified to have someone speaking like you are in one of our tournaments. There is no call for insulting a gifted young player or those that they duel with.