To the TCG a lot of the decisions do not make sense, and as usual Konami does not care. If the decisions were up to UDE we actually have a decent shot at a good game. Time Seal was banned because of Victory Dragon. Same reason why Mask of Darkness is at 1 per Deck. You would keep them from Drawing, same with Drop Off and just keep getting them back thanks to Mask of Darkness until you Victory Dragoned the win. Lame.
April 2006 Forbidden/Restricted list released
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krazykidpsx
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when it drops the opponents life points to 0 you win the match, its a 3 dragon tribute 2400.drzero7 said:
its not powerfull at all, its just in the Vlock deck it was the game winner becuase all you needed is the hit for match not even for game for match hence forth you didnt need to do 2 of 3 just 1 game and your set.
Complex_Mind
Deck Mechanic
I don't know why everyone is so surprised with this list. I guess it's just me who isn't?
Nothing has changed for the worst for Cookie Cut Decks. They got more power.
And MSLV2 will still see play...uhh...2 Magician of Faiths? :|
Phoenix decks are going to see Tier 1. I almost guarentee it.
Dark World isn't 100000000000000000000000 times better just because of 1 card. I'm saying this so no one makes the mistake of putting their heart into a Dark World deck for it to fail.
This is a global banlist (yes, based off of the Japan meta
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It was not based off of our meta. So no matter how much you hate a card that came back or wanted a card to come back. There was no chance they would. Next list WILL be based off of American meta, since there is no Worlds interfering. But that's in 6 months.
And for the last time, Cyber Dragon was not even at RISK of being limited or restricted.
The only thing I'm NOT sure will happen with this list is:
Dark World. It could surprise me, who knows. The right people just have to use it.
Nothing has changed for the worst for Cookie Cut Decks. They got more power.
And MSLV2 will still see play...uhh...2 Magician of Faiths? :|
Phoenix decks are going to see Tier 1. I almost guarentee it.
Dark World isn't 100000000000000000000000 times better just because of 1 card. I'm saying this so no one makes the mistake of putting their heart into a Dark World deck for it to fail.
This is a global banlist (yes, based off of the Japan meta
)It was not based off of our meta. So no matter how much you hate a card that came back or wanted a card to come back. There was no chance they would. Next list WILL be based off of American meta, since there is no Worlds interfering. But that's in 6 months.
And for the last time, Cyber Dragon was not even at RISK of being limited or restricted.
The only thing I'm NOT sure will happen with this list is:
Dark World. It could surprise me, who knows. The right people just have to use it.
krazykidpsx
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Dark world needs a deck, but with 3x reaper and Lightning Vortex all it does is flood then die. its easy as that.Complex_Mind said:I don't know why everyone is so surprised with this list. I guess it's just me who isn't?
Nothing has changed for the worst for Cookie Cut Decks. They got more power.
And MSLV2 will still see play...uhh...2 Magician of Faiths? :|
Phoenix decks are going to see Tier 1. I almost guarentee it.
Dark World isn't 100000000000000000000000 times better just because of 1 card. I'm saying this so no one makes the mistake of putting their heart into a Dark World deck for it to fail.
This is a global banlist (yes, based off of the Japan meta
It was not based off of our meta. So no matter how much you hate a card that came back or wanted a card to come back. There was no chance they would. Next list WILL be based off of American meta, since there is no Worlds interfering. But that's in 6 months.
And for the last time, Cyber Dragon was not even at RISK of being limited or restricted.
The only thing I'm NOT sure will happen with this list is:
Dark World. It could surprise me, who knows. The right people just have to use it.
That is the problem with the ban list to begin with, is that it caters to the OCG than the TCG when UDE does the majority tourney work for Yu-Gi-Oh! to begin with. Having a list for region forced upon another just because of 1 event is just bad. How exactly is Phoenix going to be Tier 1? What exactly about this list makes it even more abuseable than it is now? It is not that Dark World is 1000000000x better with Graceful Charity, but the card gives it such playability because of it. I still do not see how Dark World is not as playable as it is now when there are plenty of ways to get rid of your hand thanks to your opponent. I mean what happened to Dark Deal? The Cheerful Coffin? The only way Dark World would be crem la supreme is with Mirage of Nightmare. And Cyber Dragon was never, nor is at any time considered to be restricted or banned. At least Konami put that Apprentice Magician to Semi-Restricted, but 2 Magician of Faith is just going to be lame which is why we have 2 Nobleman of Crossout, plus it stops the Dekotrain thing which no one is going to bother with come Cyber Phoenix.
magnumcyclonex
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drzero7 said:
Trade life points for advantage. Short of tributing PDF, it is an advantage card if you know how to use it correctly.
BenjaminMS
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New ban list said:
Oh no!... Cyber Jar banned? Why? It was annoying, OK, but now you are killing the less-played Decks.
Dark Hole.. mwah... I understand it.
But: Exchange of the Spirit?? Last Turn?? Time Seal? EotS isn't that much played over here, just like Last Turn and Time Seal!
New ban list said:
Finally... DDA is cut short. :s Mirror Force... Tech.. coming back.. this becomes a CC-Meta again...
Gracefull coming back is interesting.
Also understandable that PoA is restricted.
But why are the others restricted... :confused_
New ban list said:
MORE DDV, NoC and Reflect Bounder allowed? That is no fun.
Apprentice restricted? :/ Huh? And MoF back to 2.
New ban list said:
Good... but the list overall is bad...
cameron2010
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Tiso said:
You are absolutely correct, and I'm glad that someone finally illustratred this very important point. After all, many times Mirror will probably be destroyed before they even get to use it. And Dark Hole is Raigeki, but would that not make Heavy Storm, another version of the almighty Harpies Feather Duster. I cannot understand, why Heavy Storm is not banned, it can pretty much be played as a Harpies, and there is still plenty of small as well as mass removal of spell and traps (and some monster effects, but kind of unrealistic unless you have a deck around it like Archlord Zerato, Ojama Delta Hurricane, Des Croaking, Gigantes, Moisture Creature, Gilford the Lightning, Sand Gambler, Winged Kuriboh LV10, etc..).
Mass Spell/Trap Removal Substitutes Against the Opponent
Final Destiny
Giant Trunade (very, very, underrated and not given enough respect)
Malice Dispersion
Spell Purification
Special Hurricane
Eternal Rest
Really Eternal Rest
Disarmament (good to side deck, if you are going up against a deck with lots of equips)
Wait a minute, didn't Exchange of the Spirit just come out? Why is it banned already? I just put it into my Fairy Deck.
shadowdragon
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i dont get storm not being banned either, personally, i changed my line up a few days back too include an extra trunade and works a bunch better.
cameron2010 and Tiso are deffinaty right about the Hole, althought people dont give in terms of mass removal, Vortex much credit, althought dispite its goodness, no one will ever use Final Destiny, because of its discard cost. most people will dismiss as not 1-1 and not bother looking again(althoght its only adviseable to run this in decks that havehigh draw power.)
and as people have stated this banlist, almost exactly matches the japanese list for worlds. no other reason for it.
cameron2010 and Tiso are deffinaty right about the Hole, althought people dont give in terms of mass removal, Vortex much credit, althought dispite its goodness, no one will ever use Final Destiny, because of its discard cost. most people will dismiss as not 1-1 and not bother looking again(althoght its only adviseable to run this in decks that havehigh draw power.)
and as people have stated this banlist, almost exactly matches the japanese list for worlds. no other reason for it.
masterwoo0
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Final Destiny is a ridiculous card. Who would even think about sending 5 cards to the Graveyard to destroy all cards on the field?
I would like to know the combo (don't feel like trying to think of it because I will never use it) that would work with this...
Anyway, I thought we already established that the Ban List is only linking up for Worlds? What good would it be to have to different sets of Ban List right before the BIGGEST tounament in Yugioh?
No one can say we are behind, because if you anticipated this linking, we had the list just as soon as the OCG got it. We just couldnt put the unbanned cards into play at Sanctioned Tourney's, but you could play test on YVD if you wanted to.
I would like to know the combo (don't feel like trying to think of it because I will never use it) that would work with this...
Anyway, I thought we already established that the Ban List is only linking up for Worlds? What good would it be to have to different sets of Ban List right before the BIGGEST tounament in Yugioh?
No one can say we are behind, because if you anticipated this linking, we had the list just as soon as the OCG got it. We just couldnt put the unbanned cards into play at Sanctioned Tourney's, but you could play test on YVD if you wanted to.
Dr Kain said:
The TCG just got it. The OCG has had it for years. If were just abusing it with Magical Merchant, what do you think the OCG players were doing all this time? It was one of those BS cards that never should have been made, like Sixth Sense.
shadowdragon said:
Because Heavy Storm does not need to banned. We do not have any Mass Spell or Trap removal except for certain themed Decks. Giant Trunade does not destroy, which is it would never be banned. It just delays their inevitable activation. We need Heavy Storm until a great majority of other themes get more cards like A Wingbeat of Giant Dragon for example.
shadowdragon
leet is for losers
yeah tiso, you do have a strong point there, i'm just surrpised it hasnt been banned i guess, since Raigeki and dark whole got banned and they replaced Raigeki with vortex, i dont see why they didnt make a simlair card for storm, i'm also wondering if Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell wouldnt see more play now. i'm rather surprised it hasnt before now anyways. like Trap Jammer should agruably see more play too.
shadowdragon said:
None of them are going to see play. Vortex does not get played because everyone just decided Smashing Ground was the new tech card and slap that into their Decks 2-3. Why waste 2 cards from your hand when you can use 1? Trap Jammer should have been seing play before this list because of Sakuretsu Armor and Widespread Ruin. Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell will never see play because you have to discard 1 card from your hand, but not just any card, a Spell Card. No one bothers with that. If anything they run Spell Shield over it if Smashing Ground was targetting or Magic Drain.
krazykidpsx
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the funny thing is, Chiron in OCG is used just as Breaker.
yes TCG doesnt use it but eventually you will see it around, its a very good cards but again nobody in the TCG loves to trade off just as much as people in OCG.
OCG i see more trades happening than in TCG, tcg its all Greed, if its not a 1-1 its crappy its useless its worthless its not worth the time in a deck.
WRONG... thats all i have to say just wrong.
about the Giant Trunade, if Giant Trunade were a quickplay i bet you anything people would have used it
think about it, a quickplay Giant Trunade, that makes sure that 1, your opponent discards or 2 they have nothing set come your turn.
yes TCG doesnt use it but eventually you will see it around, its a very good cards but again nobody in the TCG loves to trade off just as much as people in OCG.
OCG i see more trades happening than in TCG, tcg its all Greed, if its not a 1-1 its crappy its useless its worthless its not worth the time in a deck.
WRONG... thats all i have to say just wrong.
about the Giant Trunade, if Giant Trunade were a quickplay i bet you anything people would have used it
think about it, a quickplay Giant Trunade, that makes sure that 1, your opponent discards or 2 they have nothing set come your turn.
The use of Trap Jammer died once Royal Decree came into play. What's the point of discarding a card when Royal Decree can do the same thing.
Yeah, Smashing Ground > Vortex.
Actually, there IS a good reason. The reason for 2x NoC is cause all thses flip-flop control and Merchant-Pot-Turbo decks. Meaning, there's one too many set monsters with great abused flip effects (Deko, Merchant, and even Morphing Jar is coming back to play) Apprentice needs to get restricted now since MoF is 2 per deck. (It'll make MoF too powerful. And flip-flop/MPT decks now must put 2x MoF since Pot of Avarice is limited 1 per deck. They need that pot, and now since it's 1x, MoF is the only alternative for the continuing big hand management)
But yeah, WHY is MoF 2x is beyond my thinking. MoF is alot more annoying the Mask of Darkness, and Reflect Bounder 2x? Yeah, Reflect Bounder isn't much of a threat... but still... the dudes made way too many direct port of Japanese ban list...
I hate to be an ass, but does anyone have the direct translation of Victory Dragon?
And yeah, Cyber Dragon will never hit the ban list cause of it's a "favorite" kiddie card that YGO is promoting. But the prob, is Cyber Dragon is overall even better then Marauding Captain. Marauding Captain was annoying cause it lets so play 2 monster card at once, and that was enough for 2x per deck. (Now it's back 3) But dude, at least Marauding Captain was a weenie 1200ATK monster. Cyber Dragon does the same thing gameplay wise but this one is 2100ATK! Sure Marauding Captain can use his effect anytime while Cyber Dragon needs a condition, but the condition is way to easy anyway. (What, your gunna keep letting your foe have 1x monster on their field for Monarch bombing tributes?)
And I'm kinda surprised that Spirit Reaper isn't 2x per deck. I thought that card would get semi-limited.
Yeah, Smashing Ground > Vortex.
Actually, there IS a good reason. The reason for 2x NoC is cause all thses flip-flop control and Merchant-Pot-Turbo decks. Meaning, there's one too many set monsters with great abused flip effects (Deko, Merchant, and even Morphing Jar is coming back to play) Apprentice needs to get restricted now since MoF is 2 per deck. (It'll make MoF too powerful. And flip-flop/MPT decks now must put 2x MoF since Pot of Avarice is limited 1 per deck. They need that pot, and now since it's 1x, MoF is the only alternative for the continuing big hand management)
But yeah, WHY is MoF 2x is beyond my thinking. MoF is alot more annoying the Mask of Darkness, and Reflect Bounder 2x? Yeah, Reflect Bounder isn't much of a threat... but still... the dudes made way too many direct port of Japanese ban list...
I hate to be an ass, but does anyone have the direct translation of Victory Dragon?
And yeah, Cyber Dragon will never hit the ban list cause of it's a "favorite" kiddie card that YGO is promoting. But the prob, is Cyber Dragon is overall even better then Marauding Captain. Marauding Captain was annoying cause it lets so play 2 monster card at once, and that was enough for 2x per deck. (Now it's back 3) But dude, at least Marauding Captain was a weenie 1200ATK monster. Cyber Dragon does the same thing gameplay wise but this one is 2100ATK! Sure Marauding Captain can use his effect anytime while Cyber Dragon needs a condition, but the condition is way to easy anyway. (What, your gunna keep letting your foe have 1x monster on their field for Monarch bombing tributes?)
And I'm kinda surprised that Spirit Reaper isn't 2x per deck. I thought that card would get semi-limited.
but man, I need th seriously think of a "new deck" for my Cookiecutter serious metagame lvl one.
My old one that's high lvl was my Warrior Toolbox. And that deck depended on my 3x DDA. And since DDA and DDWL is 1 per deck (Which I do agree, it was too insane) so 2x DDA is out, and then since DDA, DDWL is limited, DDS have no purpose for a tech so even that's out. That's 3x Warriors out of my deck, which makes it weak and 2x ROTA not as effective... yeah, need to make a new deck.
I'm not sure what to make though, like I could make flip-flop or MPT... but with Pot of Avarice 1x and 2x NoC legal... need to see the new "change" of new deck design before I make my changes.
And for my casual decks, switching Dark Hole into Mirror Force is easy. (Although I need to now buy more Mirror Force) But trying to fit in Graceful Charity is another thing. Add 1 card means taking out 1 card and that disrupts the whole balanace of the 40 card deck.
My old one that's high lvl was my Warrior Toolbox. And that deck depended on my 3x DDA. And since DDA and DDWL is 1 per deck (Which I do agree, it was too insane) so 2x DDA is out, and then since DDA, DDWL is limited, DDS have no purpose for a tech so even that's out. That's 3x Warriors out of my deck, which makes it weak and 2x ROTA not as effective... yeah, need to make a new deck.
I'm not sure what to make though, like I could make flip-flop or MPT... but with Pot of Avarice 1x and 2x NoC legal... need to see the new "change" of new deck design before I make my changes.
And for my casual decks, switching Dark Hole into Mirror Force is easy. (Although I need to now buy more Mirror Force) But trying to fit in Graceful Charity is another thing. Add 1 card means taking out 1 card and that disrupts the whole balanace of the 40 card deck.
Like some people said, nothings really changed, the only deck type Konami nerfed was another tsuki control variant, no big changes deck type wise...
And about Chiron, it is not so much the 1-1 trade off, its the spell card trade off which may not matter mid-late game when you start getting somewhat situational dead spell cards and you have a general idea of what the opponent may have, but early game that card might as well be a dead draw since there are so many things that can chain to the effect, same goes for breaker but its a little "safer" cost-wise.
And about Chiron, it is not so much the 1-1 trade off, its the spell card trade off which may not matter mid-late game when you start getting somewhat situational dead spell cards and you have a general idea of what the opponent may have, but early game that card might as well be a dead draw since there are so many things that can chain to the effect, same goes for breaker but its a little "safer" cost-wise.
krazykidpsx
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no its not safer its cheaper.
thats all., if players started to look at the cards for what they are and not numbers maybe...
I dont know, maybe becuase im used to the Magic enviroment were I see costs and say, "hey I can control for a while..." and so forth. Usually people will just stop playing cards so they have enough Lands/Mana Producers so they can work their way up with me, but think about it by the time they are on turn 6 im just 1/4 away from decking out.
thats all., if players started to look at the cards for what they are and not numbers maybe...
I dont know, maybe becuase im used to the Magic enviroment were I see costs and say, "hey I can control for a while..." and so forth. Usually people will just stop playing cards so they have enough Lands/Mana Producers so they can work their way up with me, but think about it by the time they are on turn 6 im just 1/4 away from decking out.
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