Exiled Force + Soul Exchange

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This time i think i have a kick butt combo even w/ all the wording being right.

If your opponent has 2 or 3 mon on field, you play soul exchange. Pick the one oyu want gone the most. Then summon Exiled Force. Instead of X force being destroyed, the monster you picked can be. Then you also get to pick another monster to destroy. If they had a 3rd mon, just trib the X force again. You can also use Soul Exchange again to totally clear the field.

Fun combo No ^_^!!!!!
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My friend posted that at a different site, would that work?
 
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As far as I know, this will not work.

"Tribute THIS face-up card. Destroy 1 monster on the field."

"Exiled Force"s effect must tribute ITSELF for it to work properly. It is one of the restrictions of the card.

Good idea though.
 
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And correct me if I'm wrong, if you play Soul Exchange and selected a monster, wouldn't the lingering effect of Soul Exchange force you to offer a monster the very next time you go to tribute something? Or is the effect optional? The text, to me, is worded unclearly like Rare Metalmorph's, where it is the very next spell card that is negated as opposed to your choice of spell cards.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
And correct me if I'm wrong, if you play Soul Exchange and selected a monster, wouldn't the lingering effect of Soul Exchange force you to offer a monster the very next time you go to tribute something? Or is the effect optional? The text, to me, is worded unclearly like Rare Metalmorph's, where it is the very next spell card that is negated as opposed to your choice of spell cards.
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If you activate the effect of Soul Exchange, you must tribute the monster you took for "something", before the end of the turn.

You can tribute it for Ectoplasmer, you can tribute it for Mass Driver, a tribute summon, special summon, etc.... But you must do a tribute. You cannot activate Soul Exchange just to take a card from your opponent and NOT tribute it.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
You cannot activate Soul Exchange just to take a card from your opponent and NOT tribute it.
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Since when do you 'take a card' from your opponent? You activate "Soul Exchange" declaring the target monster card to use. It never leaves the opponent's side of the field. I can then do whatever I want (except Battle Phase). If I 'forget' to tribute, then I've lost the effect and the monster stays on the opponent's field.
 
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Right, Soul Exchange sets up a condition much as Last Will does. It's effect floats until used. This is why in my Cannon Soldier deck I'll often lead off my main phase 1 by activating Soul Exchange, barring negation and assuming Soul Exchange resolves I'll summon Cannon Soldier, now I have priority to activate Cannon Soldier's effect and use my opponent's monster to tribute for Cannon Soldier's effect. If I do it the other way around I'm setting myself up for failure falling to use my priority to use Cannon Soldier's effect once summoned, not a wise idea.
 
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Im pretty sure I read that Soul Exchange's effect must be used during the turn it is activated.

It could be that I misinterpreted the "must be used" part the same way most players misinterpret Last Will's effect.
 
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skey23 said:
Since when do you 'take a card' from your opponent? You activate "Soul Exchange" declaring the target monster card to use. It never leaves the opponent's side of the field. I can then do whatever I want (except Battle Phase). If I 'forget' to tribute, then I've lost the effect and the monster stays on the opponent's field.
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Right, the monster selected forr Soul Exchange doesn't go anywhere until you go to tribute something.

I was just wondering, though, if the effect forced your very next tribute to be redirected the monster selected for Soul Exchange.

Either way though, Newz's quote leaves me wondering if I can't try to use the selected monster for Exiled Force. Even though I won't get the effect.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Either way though, Newz's quote leaves me wondering if I can't try to use the selected monster for Exiled Force. Even though I won't get the effect.
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I can at least answer this one... :D



Can Soul Exchange be used to substitute a card for the Tribute in Saturn's effect?

I ask this because the effect reads, "...by offering this card as a Tribute" and
not "...by offering a card as a Tribute". Does it matter?

Thanks,
Bill Belton
Level 1 Judge



Answer:

"Soul Exchange" cannot be used in this way.

Just like you cannot use it Tribute an opponent's monster instead of
your "Exiled Force."

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My only question on Soul Exchange would be, if it's activated, if the next time you're suppose to tribute a monster and you cannot use it's effect for this tribute (such as with Exiled Force) would the effect dissappear? Such as when you activate Last Will and choose not to use it's effect at the point your first monster is sent to the graveyard? Or if you choose not to use Soul Exchange's effect when tributing a monster (I assume then it indeed would disappear)

Has anyone done research on these topics?
 
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John Danker said:
My only question on Soul Exchange would be, if it's activated, if the next time you're suppose to tribute a monster and you cannot use it's effect for this tribute (such as with Exiled Force) would the effect dissappear? Such as when you activate Last Will and choose not to use it's effect at the point your first monster is sent to the graveyard? Or if you choose not to use Soul Exchange's effect when tributing a monster (I assume then it indeed would disappear)

Has anyone done research on these topics?
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Well, I think I remember seeing something posted on the old Yahoo Judge List, but I cant be certain since it is no longer available.

I was fairly certain that it stated that you had to use the effect the turn Soul Exchange was activated, but as you pointed out, it could very well be that the condition must present itself for resolving, or it disappears, like Last Will.

The thinking that it would continue past the turn, in my opinion, is not valid as you have already been penalized by forfeiting a Battle Phase, unless they do in fact mean the turn the effect was used on, and not necessarily the turn you activated the card on.
 
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"Soul Exchange" sets a state that can be used whenever you need to make a tribute, but you don't have to use it at the next time you need to tribute something and if you don't it Disappears. There was a ruling on the mailing list in regards to "Last Will" where yes if a monster is sent from your field to the graveyard you COULD use that effect but if you didn't, the state remains until then end of turn so if the situation arises and another monster is sent to the graveyard, you could use it at that 2nd time.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Well, I think I remember seeing something posted on the old Yahoo Judge List, but I cant be certain since it is no longer available.

I was fairly certain that it stated that you had to use the effect the turn Soul Exchange was activated, but as you pointed out, it could very well be that the condition must present itself for resolving, or it Disappears, like Last Will.

The thinking that it would continue past the turn, in my opinion, is not valid as you have already been penalized by forfeiting a Battle Phase, unless they do in fact mean the turn the effect was used on, and not necessarily the turn you activated the card on.
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One thing I'm unclear on is I don't recall anyone suggesting that it could be used passed the turn, just whether or not it could be used for any tribute during that turn.
 
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I had posted a question on Last Will to the judge's board because I thought the FAQ text was misleading. After having only recieved a reply of, "See the FAQ on Last Will" I wrote Ian personally and asked for a response. Here is what I recieved back from Ian, my question first.......


Question:

Once Last Will is activated, and assuming it isn't negated at the time of activation, can it's "state" be used only when the first monster is sent to the graveyard, or since it's an optional effect could a player choose not to use it at that time and when a second monster is sent to the graveyard later in the turn use Last Will's effect at that time?

The FAQ has what seems to be contradictory paragraphs describing Last Will's effect.

Ian's answer:

John,

You cannot choose when to activate the state based effect, as it will trigger automatically the next time a monster is sent to the Graveyard.

Since Last Will is an optional effect, it's controller can choose to not Special Summon a monster, but the state based effect will not reset. Once it's condition has been met, that is the only chance you will have that turn to Special Summon a monster.

The 4th paragraph is stating that the effect will expire at the end of the turn if the condition of a monster being sent to the Graveyard was not met during the turn.

Hope that clears things up,

Ian


That having been said you can see where my question about Soul Exchange having already been activated comes in if it had been previously activated and Exhiled Force was summoned and used. The state was set up where a monster was to be tributed, it could not use an opponent's monster but a monster was tributed. I'd assume then that Soul Exchange's effect would dissapear.
 
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densetsu_x said:
Now I have to find the post because that contradicted what Curtis had said.
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Please do...by all means. I'd love to see that one as well. I was working on getting the Last Will question resolved for months. Now it may be in question again? <cringe>
 
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