last will and errata

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I am pretty sure I saw a discussion somewhere talking about this :

Last Will
(Tournament Pack 7, Starter Decks: Yugi, Yugi Evolution)
If a monster on your side of the field was sent to your Graveyard this turn, you can Special Summon 1 monster with an ATK of 1500 points or less from your Deck once during this turn. Then shuffle your Deck.

Has there been a change where you can play Last Will after the fact. I had always thought Last Will had to be activated before a monster was sent from the field. I am hearing other judges that worked Shonen Jumo Baltimore say it was allowed to be played after the fact there.

Example:

Player A summons a monster and attacks. Player B plays Sak Armor. Player A activates Last Will and then summons a Reaper in defense.

This seems so broken. Can someone shed some light on this for me.

Thanks
 
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The fact is that we really can't just rule it based on "text" at this moment in time. I just managed to bump into a discussion on this topic precisely.

One of the players claimed that because of Last Will's errata, that it was viable to use it before or after, the other player sayed it was not possible. I was called to the table, I said that it was possible to activate it after, but then the head judge disaGreed with me and checked UDE for the rulings... which of course were not changed.

So between players which follow complete rulings from the FAQ, we really can't give a concrete call, it's quite tough to really contest something that has no "solid" proof as of yet.
 
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question on use of last will...

i'm reading up on Last Will and have a question....
if i activate Last Will (creating the state...) and then summon, say Mataza the Zapper , atack opponents Jinzo, mtz goes to graveyard,(special summon using Last Will's effect) bring out dd warrior lady... am i still in my battle phase? can i then attack Jinzo again? elect to, or not to remove, (ddwl goes to graveyard, main phase 2 special summon chaos sorcer & remove Jinzo...)
searching for the logic...
bd
 
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Of course. If your still in your Battle Phase when you trigger Last Will's state you may attack with the monster that was Special Summoned by the effect. This is true of any effect that Special SUmmons a monster during the Battle Phase.

Bear in moind that Last Will's state triggers as soon as one of your monsters goes to the Graveyard. You don't chose when to resolve the effect. If it triggers you either Special Summon your monster there or you've missed your chance.
 
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Tiso said:
Since when did we decide that either you use the effect then an there or you do not? It creates a state.
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It creates a state that will trigger as soon as one of your monsters goes to the graveyard. At that time you must choose to summon or forego the summon and the state no longer exists. You can't pass the first time a monster goes to the grave and then use the state later in the turn when a second monster goes to the grave. That is what DJ was saying.

Just to further muddy the waters, I know that the answer to Cuzwbd's question has always been yes here in TCG land where Kevin has stated it works exactly like Mystic Tomato (well except for not making a chain and...) But as I recall in OCG Last Will's state will not trigger during the Damage Step. Just one more reason I wish UDE/Konami would get their collective butts in gear and flesh out exactly what this card will do at a World Championship match and then stick to it.
 
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Tiso said:
Since when did we decide that either you use the effect then an there or you do not? It creates a state.
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By "then and there", do you mean when the state triggers? Thats what I'm refering to.

You don't select a monster as a target when you activate or resolve "Last Will". "Last Will" creates a state whereby, the next time during that turn when your monster is sent from your side of the field to your Graveyard, you may Special Summon 1 monster from your Deck using "Last Will's" state. "Last Will's" state then ends.​
"The next time during that turn ... you may Special Summon 1 monster... But if you let it pass, you've missed your chance.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
By "then and there", do you mean when the state triggers? Thats what I'm refering to.

You don't select a monster as a target when you activate or resolve "Last Will". "Last Will" creates a state whereby, the next time during that turn when your monster is sent from your side of the field to your Graveyard, you may Special Summon 1 monster from your Deck using "Last Will's" state. "Last Will's" state then ends.​
"The next time during that turn ... you may Special Summon 1 monster... But if you let it pass, you've missed your chance.
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wait i think your on to something here, the new Text says "you can" -implying that it is an optional effect.

so another words, sending the monster to the graveyard would be that last thing that would have to happen ,for it to be timed correctly.
 
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SS64 said:
wait i think your on to something here, the new Text says "you can" -implying that it is an optional effect.

so another words, sending the monster to the graveyard would be that last thing that would have to happen ,for it to be timed correctly.
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It's "always" been an optional effect, which is why you can miss the timing.
 
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I don't really see it as a "miss the timing", more like "choosing not to use it's effect"... miss the timing refers that the "option" of the effect has long passed and there is no way that you can choose to use it or not.
 
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So can you really say that you "miss the timing" if you choose not to use it? That makes it sound like the typical case of missing the timing when an event interrupts the activation timing of the effect. In this case your choosing not to use it. It's not being interupted by anything.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
So can you really say that you "miss the timing" if you choose not to use it? That makes it sound like the typical case of missing the timing when an event interrupts the activation timing of the effect. In this case your choosing not to use it. It's not being interupted by anything.
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No it's not "missed timing" at all, you simply opted not to use the effect. As far as my understanding goes, you cannot miss timing for Last Will's trigger.

Also, Optional Triggers do not "miss timing" because you choose not to activate them... they "miss timing" because you need a direct response to the event, similar to Magic Jammer needing a direct response to a Spell Card activation.

Hope that helps
 
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masterwoo0 said:
What I meant by "missed timing" is, Last Will is not like a "Sangan" type effect, whereas you MUST at some point select a monster. If you do not choose to Special Summon a monster, you lose your chance, or, "miss the timing".
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But it's a very important point,

It IS like Sangan in that at some point you will be forced to make a choice... Last Will has mandatory timing. Choosing whether or not to Special Summon has nothing to do with timing, you didn't "miss" it you just opted not to exercise that opportunity.

Timing simply means that you are given a window opportunity.

The "miss the timing" mechanic that they use for Optional Triggers has to do with whether you are even given that choice or not, and is based on direct response. If something intervenes, you are not even given timing to activate (or choose), and thus "miss the timing"...

I don't think it's wise to mix the two.
 
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novastar said:
But it's a very important point,

It IS like Sangan in that at some point you will be forced to make a choice... Last Will has mandatory timing. Choosing whether or not to Special Summon has nothing to do with timing, you didn't "miss" it you just opted not to exercise that opportunity.

Timing simply means that you are given a window opportunity.

The "miss the timing" mechanic that they use for Optional Triggers has to do with whether you are even given that choice or not, and is based on direct response. If something intervenes, you are not even given timing to activate (or choose), and thus "miss the timing"...

I don't think it's wise to mix the two.
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Second this... i've always wanted another "term" for it... though many people call it "miss the timing" as a matter of acceptance.
 
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