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I know that if I flip summon a sangan and my opponent plays solemn judgement I cannot search the monster, even if it was set on the field before, it is considered sent to the graveyard from the hand...so if I flip night assailant and its summon is negated, can I get a flip effect monster from the Graveyard?
 
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<laffin and laffin> This ought to be good. Obviously it's not considered to ever have been summoned.....and how can it be considered to be in the hand (as Night Assialant's effect states) You may have stumbled upon a question with larger ramifications than you realize.....best post this one to the judge's list.
 
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Didn't we already send this one in like nine times already? Not regarding Night Assailant, but Sangan? They just don't want to answer this one as it's ramificiations are significant. The ramiications being we might actually understand how something works for a change. :p
 
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Well if they dont answer it soon people might start asking more and more questions and actually have them working for a living <shudder> anyway lets see......... I dont think we are ever gonna have a time when we agree on things like this without a final in depth ruling from konami/UDE but from what i and several others believe the card is in for want of a better term a limbo state between the hand and the field when its summon is negated and so effects that say either field or hand are Null and Void when negated as the monster is in neither area
 
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If a regular Normal Summon is negated, you cannot Normal Summon again without an effect because the Game still recognizes that you attempted to summon a monster.

That said, how can there be a "limbo" state, where a monster is not in hand, nor on the field?

This goes full circle back to the question of where a monster is when he is negated.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
If a regular Normal Summon is negated, you cannot Normal Summon again without an effect because the Game still recognizes that you attempted to summon a monster.

That said, how can there be a "limbo" state, where a monster is not in hand, nor on the field?

This goes full circle back to the question of where a monster is when he is negated.
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What I don't understand is that there is already a ruling on this situation and it states:

If the Summon of this card is negated with "Horn of Heaven" or "Solemn Judgment" you do not get its effect.
So what is the question of being in the hand, limbo, what? Is there a question regarding the Appropriateness of the ruling? Someone help me understand this, please?



 
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The question is simply where is the monster when the summon is negated. If you normal summon Sangan and he is negated by Solemn Judgment he was not "on the field" so when he goes to the graveyard his effect won't activate (nobody had a problem with that). If you flip summon Sangan and the summon is negated by Solemn Judgment his effect won't activate when he goes to the graveyard (though he might have been "on the field" for a dozen turns already - so you can see where there is a question on this). Now if he wasn't "on the field" then where was he? Was he in hand? Is there anywhere between "in hand" and "on the field".

Night Assailant is just a new twist on the question. If you normal summon Night Assailant and he is negated by Solemn Judgment and we already know he isn't considered "on the field" because of Sangan's ruling then where else would he be? If he was still in hand then wouldn't his effect activate when he is sent to the graveyard?
 
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Kyhotae said:
Not on the field or in the hand. I'd say, "On its way to the Graveyard."

Does it really HAVE to be in either place?

Who says?
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Exactly the problem. Logically it would physically be in one of the two locations unless there really is a limbo zone.
 
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So....... has anyone actually put this in a way that they might actually give a proper ruling on this? maybe go straight to the level 3 or even just send an email with links to the how many thousands of topics there are here discussing this issue.
 
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Kyhotae said:
Not on the field or in the hand. I'd say, "On its way to the Graveyard."

Does it really HAVE to be in either place?

Who says?
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On its way to the Graveyard, "from where?" Deck, Hand, Field, Removed from Play, your Side Deck?

You raise more questions by saying that, than answering any one.
 
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EmeraldDragon said:
So....... has anyone actually put this in a way that they might actually give a proper ruling on this? maybe go straight to the level 3 or even just send an email with links to the how many thousands of topics there are here discussing this issue.
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Yes, repeatedly. So far our questions have fallen on deaf ears.
 
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Kyhotae said:
Because it's obvious. It's already been adressed. I've answered it several times myself in this thread. No one is listening.
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Kyhotae said:
Not on the field or in the hand. I'd say, "On its way to the Graveyard."

Does it really HAVE to be in either place?

Who says?
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masterwoo0 said:
On its way to the Graveyard, "from where?" Deck, Hand, Field, Removed from Play, your Side Deck?

You raise more questions by saying that, than answering any one.
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I heard you. And you didnt listen. You cant just have a card come from "nowhere" and then it just ends up in the Graveyard.
 
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Kyhotae said:
Because it's obvious. It's already been adressed. I've answered it several times myself in this thread. No one is listening.
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Because everyone is looking for a definite place. Yes, its going to the graveyard, but like masterwoo0 said, from where? If its not from the field, or hand, and can't be from anywhere else, where is it considered placed until it does hit the graveyard??
 
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