Shift
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Spirit Reaper's destruction requires successful resolution of the effect in order for the destruction effect to react, and it can be a targeted effect from either player, so the fact that the original effect was the Opponent's and wasn't targeting Reaper doesn't factor in here.Digital Jedi said:
Targeting happens at activation (but of course the effect carries out that targeting), but technically, unless the effect actually resolves nothing happened... so successful resolution is still needed, which is why the destruction happens afterwords.
In the end though, it is Shift that causes Reaper to self-destruct.
Additionally, Shift still factors in the requirements of the previous effect. Which is why it must be a "legal" target for the specific effect, for example if you use Shift on Nobleman of Crossout it must still/only target a face-down monster.
And here I thought I just hadn't run across the ruling and was not experienced enough to answer and so posted it. 
So I have a Defense position Spirit Reaper face-up, my opponent has an Attack position Spirit Reaper and on his turn he attacks my Stray Lamb Token. I activate Shift and switch the attack target to my Spirit Reaper.
So after almost a year and a half let's attempt to answer this again.
1. Do I select my Spirit Reaper as the new attack target upon activation or resolution of Shift? (The previous answer had me believing that it selected the new target upon activation)
2. Does Shift ever target the attacking monster that is being redirected? (If it targets the attacking monster or the Spell/Trap it is redirecting then the attacking Spirit Reaper would be destroyed by the effect of Shift)
Scenario 2. I have a face-up Lord of D. and a face-up Tyrant Dragon. My opponent targets my Lord of D. with Raigeki Break. Can I activate Shift to change the target of Raigeki Break to Tyrant Dragon?
So I have a Defense position Spirit Reaper face-up, my opponent has an Attack position Spirit Reaper and on his turn he attacks my Stray Lamb Token. I activate Shift and switch the attack target to my Spirit Reaper.
So after almost a year and a half let's attempt to answer this again.
1. Do I select my Spirit Reaper as the new attack target upon activation or resolution of Shift? (The previous answer had me believing that it selected the new target upon activation)
2. Does Shift ever target the attacking monster that is being redirected? (If it targets the attacking monster or the Spell/Trap it is redirecting then the attacking Spirit Reaper would be destroyed by the effect of Shift)
Scenario 2. I have a face-up Lord of D. and a face-up Tyrant Dragon. My opponent targets my Lord of D. with Raigeki Break. Can I activate Shift to change the target of Raigeki Break to Tyrant Dragon?
Activation, Reaper will be destroyed after Shift resolves.
No, only the new target you select, the attacking monster was previously chosen based on your Opponent's normal attack declaration.
No, Lord of D.'s effect prevents this, so you cannot activate Shift at all of you don't have another target that isn't a Dragon-Type.
I do appologize for the inconvenience, masterwoo0 was correct from the start.
Mmmmm. Thickened Plot. Goes good with spam.
Okay, to prevent my post from completely being spam, who refers to themselves only as "The Moderator"? I thought all the ruling Kingpins referred to theselves by name. We have a shadow judge on the list?
Okay, to prevent my post from completely being spam, who refers to themselves only as "The Moderator"? I thought all the ruling Kingpins referred to theselves by name. We have a shadow judge on the list?
Hmmm. So when replying they all take the blame. Works for me.
So, without a clear explanation from them, are they agreeing with nova in that because the new "target" is chosen at resolution of the Shift, that Shift is not doing any actual targeting?
So, without a clear explanation from them, are they agreeing with nova in that because the new "target" is chosen at resolution of the Shift, that Shift is not doing any actual targeting?
So does that mean you select the new Target upon the resolution of Shift (Thus making it by definition non-targeting)? Or that you still select the new Target when activating Shift (and it is considered non-Targeting because it is only redirecting)? And if you select at activation and the new Target is somehow destroyed before the effect of Shift resolves will the effect of Shift disappear?
If Shift Targets:
If Shift targets and the new target that you've selected upon activation is gone, then the effect of Shift disappears.
If Shift Doesn't Target:
If Shift doesn't target and merely redirects the target to a new one, then this action is done upon resolution.
You can activate this card when your opponent designates 1 monster on your side of the field as a target of a Spell, Trap, or battle attack. Switch the target to another monster on your side of the field.
The bolded text is the requirement that must be met in order to have a chance to activate Shift. The other sentence that I didn't bold is the actual effect of Shift. I believe that I've already explained that in a previous post and if not then here it is! XD
If Shift targets and the new target that you've selected upon activation is gone, then the effect of Shift disappears.
If Shift Doesn't Target:
If Shift doesn't target and merely redirects the target to a new one, then this action is done upon resolution.
You can activate this card when your opponent designates 1 monster on your side of the field as a target of a Spell, Trap, or battle attack. Switch the target to another monster on your side of the field.
The bolded text is the requirement that must be met in order to have a chance to activate Shift. The other sentence that I didn't bold is the actual effect of Shift. I believe that I've already explained that in a previous post and if not then here it is! XD
So Spirit Reaper, wouldn't die if attacked ... right?
DaGuyWitBluGlasses
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Another Headache:
Q. When fighting when "shift change" moves, the chain doing, when the rewind of battle occurs due to making "the call of living dead move", because the partner does again to select the attack object, result does "shift change" become the misfire?
A. It does not become the misfire. In case of the above-mentioned processing, the monster is specially summoned with the effect "of call of living dead", condition of the rewind of attack is met, but because there are no times when the rewind of attack occurs while processing the chain, the effect of "shift change" is processed next. In addition, when "shift change" is made to move the case of attack, because at the processing damage calculation and the like is done, the rewind of attack does not occur result.
Q. When fighting when "shift change" moves, the chain doing, when the rewind of battle occurs due to making "the call of living dead move", because the partner does again to select the attack object, result does "shift change" become the misfire?
A. It does not become the misfire. In case of the above-mentioned processing, the monster is specially summoned with the effect "of call of living dead", condition of the rewind of attack is met, but because there are no times when the rewind of attack occurs while processing the chain, the effect of "shift change" is processed next. In addition, when "shift change" is made to move the case of attack, because at the processing damage calculation and the like is done, the rewind of attack does not occur result.
That is from Konami's JPN site i presume?DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
It's seems to imply that because Shift changes the attack target to a different target from the original one, it in essence replaces the replay that would have otherwise occured. It's as if Shift performed a replay on it's own, thus preventing a normal replay from occuring.
A headache indeed, but possibly it's better this way, giving Shift a little more ability to actually work giving it precedence over replay.
Seems like a control measure, or patch up.
Actually, I'm reading that as the following....
P1 attacks with monster.
P1 does not respond.
P2 responds with "Shift".
P1 does not respond.
P2 responds with "Call of the Haunted".
P1 does not respond.
P2 does not respond.
Chain resolves.
"Call of the Haunted" Special Summons a monster, and triggers the Replay, but the chain must finish first.
"Shift" then resolves and the new attack target is chosen AND the attack resolves as normal.
Now, because the attack resolved as normal, and Damage Calculation was completed, the replay is not allowed to happen now.
At least that's how I'm understanding that scenario.
P1 attacks with monster.
P1 does not respond.
P2 responds with "Shift".
P1 does not respond.
P2 responds with "Call of the Haunted".
P1 does not respond.
P2 does not respond.
Chain resolves.
"Call of the Haunted" Special Summons a monster, and triggers the Replay, but the chain must finish first.
"Shift" then resolves and the new attack target is chosen AND the attack resolves as normal.
Now, because the attack resolved as normal, and Damage Calculation was completed, the replay is not allowed to happen now.
At least that's how I'm understanding that scenario.