The new [10.2005] Ban list is out

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I go away for a few weeks for a street hockey tournament in Rio, and THIS is what I come back to. In addition to be covered in bruises from being thrown about like a rag doll by Team Russia, my prized BLS soldier is banned, along with half the cards in my deck (and by half, I mean about 7).

Still, I welcome the opportunity to create a winning Chaos deck that doesn't pack BLS. At least now I'll know if it's me winning or that damned Envoy!

I feel like I've been forced to go cold turkey here. I didn't even get a chance to wean myself off BLS slowly. :(
 
I can't say I'm sad to see BLS go, as I've never owned one, much less used it. I'm not so sure I totally like this new list though. It just seems rather... lopsided. It does a whole lot to address a few specific problems, yet blatantly overlooks some some other, obvious problems. I mean it puts both Book of Moon and Taiyou to one, but people can still use 3 Enemy Controllers. Scapegoat, Meta, and Tsuku are at 1, but people can run 3 Royal Decrees. Why are we only allowed to use 1 Nobleman of Crossout while the Japanese can run 2 AND they have Shield Crush? And with Tribe gone, one of the few things holding the already extremely potent Zombie and Warrior swarm decks in check is now gone. Post-ban, Swarm and Horus are more than likely going to be the decks to beat until Dark Realms shows up. Although this list may give originality a small shot in the arm, and I do agree with most of the changes (the only things I don't like are the banning of TIV and the restriction of Nobleman), I'm afraid its going to be too little, too late.

Oh, and sorry about the long rant...
 
As I've stated on other Boards, enjoy Royal Decree while you can. I didn't think they would limit Royal Decree before they launched the New Warrior Structure Deck in October. The April 06 Ban List will probably correct that omit.

For those that noticed (or didnt), the Warrior Structure Deck is the first of the pre-existing Structure Decks to NOT include Pot of Greed.

Was it a premonition of Pot of Greed getting put on the Ban list, and not having to find a replacement for it to make the Deck legal again (39 back to 40)?

Sure, the Water Structure is damaged, two-fold, but so what. Who played with it anyway??? lol
 
Jathro said:
LOL. Hi, my name is ______ and I'm a Chaos-aholic.
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<head twitch....drool> Awww....c'mon man.....<lip twitch> Just a Sorcerer....ya know I'm good for....I'll pay ya back....I'm HURTIN man! <smirk>
 
John Danker said:
<head twitch....drool> Awww....c'mon man.....<lip twitch> Just a Sorcerer....ya know I'm good for....I'll pay ya back....I'm HURTIN man! <smirk>
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That's how I feel right now. I think I'll need therapy after this.

UpperDeck keep PUSHING ME, AND PUSHING ME, and no I have NO choice...









but to email them ;) .


I wonder if they will create another Chaos monster at some point. Doesn't have to be some uber-monster removing, 3000 atk beatstick mind, another "remove 1 light/dark" style monster would be awesome.
 
masterwoo0 said:
Sure, the Water Structure is damaged, two-fold, but so what. Who played with it anyway??? lol
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Mmm... have a look at the last 3 months posts... 1,2,3,4,5,...... WATER-decks... You are almost calling that nothing...?
BTW: the WATER-decks are hit... But there are still more then enough cards who can replace all the banned cards. UDE looks like to don't know anymore how to solve problems.
 
Xeno said:
That's how I feel right now. I think I'll need therapy after this.

UpperDeck keep PUSHING ME, AND PUSHING ME, and no I have NO choice...

but to email them ;) .

I wonder if they will create another Chaos monster at some point. Doesn't have to be some uber-monster removing, 3000 atk beatstick mind, another "remove 1 light/dark" style monster would be awesome.
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<LAFFIN> Sorry....that was satire on my part....I ADORE this list! I don't think this list will seriously effect more than 3 of the 20 or so decks I play. When I saw this new list I giggled like a school kid! <doing the Mexican hat dance> As for me judging AND playing....I think this list will be the cause of the most fun I've had since I began the game 4 years ago!
 
No doubt that people love this list, myself included. I feel it balances the game even better than before, but time will tell.

However, I don't like Metamorphosis being limited to 1. With all the Fusion support we've gotten over the past few sets, limiting Metamorphosis to 1 really nips that in the bud. I understand it was done because TER was rampant, but by limiting Scapegoat, Magician of Faith, and Thousand-Eyes Restrict itself, was it really necessary to limit Metamorphosis to 1?
 
You can argue that limiting Metamorphosis to 1 was low, but it will be a vicious circle. If Magician of Faith wasn't limited, you'd probably get more use out of that one Metamorphosis, which would mean you'd get to use Thousand-Eyes Restrict more (because he wouldnt be limted either), by Morphing Magician of Faith again. And if Scapegoat wasnt limited either, how many other chances would you have to Morph a Goat with that "1" Metamorphosis???

There's no getting around it. You can't satisfy everyone with this list, but it looks like they made enough people content.
 
BenjaminMS said:
Mmm... have a look at the last 3 months posts... 1,2,3,4,5,...... WATER-decks... You are almost calling that nothing...?
BTW: the WATER-decks are hit... But there are still more then enough cards who can replace all the banned cards. UDE looks like to don't know anymore how to solve problems.
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I believe he's referring to the Water Structure Decks and not Water Decks in general. Most people who ought the Structure Deck ended up dramatically modifying its build to something completely differnet.
 
Digital Jedi said:
I believe he's referring to the Water Structure Decks and not Water Decks in general. Most people who ought the Structure Deck ended up dramatically modifying its build to something completely differnet.
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Are you reading my mind DJ?? lol That's exactly what I meant.
 
masterwoo0 said:
You can argue that limiting Metamorphosis to 1 was low, but it will be a vicious circle. If Magician of Faith wasn't limited, you'd probably get more use out of that one Metamorphosis, which would mean you'd get to use Thousand-Eyes Restrict more (because he wouldnt be limted either)...
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I don't understand your Reasoning here. Why would Thousand-Eyes Restrict not be limited if Magician of Faith wasn't limited? Both could be limited (along with Scapegoat) without limiting Metamorophosis.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about the list per se. And you're right, you can't please all the people all the time. I just don't feel that Metamorphosis should be limited just because Thousand-Eyes Restrict was abused. Same goes for Limiter Removal being limited because of Cyber Dragon and it's double and triple form(s).

But I digress... I like the list a lot actually.
 
I kinda like the new list, yes it is going to be slow as hell, but this gives many decks more chance. Like Kevin said in the e-mail, they wanted more type decks to come out and show there backbone, so no more tribe.

Well I wish I was allowed to post on the yugioh deck forums etc...but this is the only part I can :(
 
Im just saying that you'll have one group that will argue that Metamorphosis shouldnt be limited, then another group that will say that TER shouldnt be restricted, then still another group that will say that Magician of Faith shouldnt be restricted.

Somewhere in between, they will all accept "one" of these cards being restricted to 1, but never understand why the others cant remain at their current level with that one card now restricted.

"With only one Metamorphosis, its harder to draw, so it shouldnt matter how many MoF's you have!"

"With only one Magician of Faith, it makes it harder to morph Ter, so why cant Metamorphosis stay at 3?"

"With only one TER, if he's destroyed, he goes to the Graveyard, so that would mean he is harder to re-summon now, so why drop MoF and Metamorphosis?"

That's what my Reasoning is.
 
Ok, gotcha now. I still think I'd like more than 1 Metamorphosis. With more good fusion monsters available now and with more support for them, having options to get them out is nice. Oh well. I certainly won't shed a tear at seeing less TER, Scapegoat, and MoF.
 
.:TDK:. said:
I kinda like the new list, yes it is going to be slow as hell, but this gives many decks more chance. Like Kevin said in the e-mail, they wanted more type decks to come out and show there backbone, so no more tribe.

Well I wish I was allowed to post on the yugioh deck forums etc...but this is the only part I can :(
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There shouldn't be any reason why you can't post in all forums except Netrep Articles. If you continue to have this problem please feel freee to contact any of the Council of Heroes members (moderators) to have the problem resolved.
 
masterwoo0 said:
Im just saying that you'll have one group that will argue that Metamorphosis shouldnt be limited, then another group that will say that TER shouldnt be restricted, then still another group that will say that Magician of Faith shouldnt be restricted.

Somewhere in between, they will all accept "one" of these cards being restricted to 1, but never understand why the others cant remain at their current level with that one card now restricted.

"With only one Metamorphosis, its harder to draw, so it shouldnt matter how many MoF's you have!"

"With only one Magician of Faith, it makes it harder to morph Ter, so why cant Metamorphosis stay at 3?"

"With only one TER, if he's destroyed, he goes to the Graveyard, so that would mean he is harder to re-summon now, so why drop MoF and Metamorphosis?"

That's what my Reasoning is.
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I too understand your point but would say the counter argument is that we've seen past history of unnecessary limiting of cards because of abusable combos when the key card was banned (ie. Chick the Yellow) without Makyura there was absolutely no reason at all to limit him. I also understand that the Traditional List could still use Makyura so fine limit him in that format and not in Advanced. I think the same thing happened here, TER, Scapegoat, Book of Moon, Tsukuyomi, MOF, all limited to 1 and Serpent banned those were definitely needed to stop the Goat Control problem however Metamorphosis has infinitely more uses than just that deck type and limiting it to 1 hamstrings decks that were not broken. Metamorphosis by itself is a high risk card (lose the cost monster even if it is negated) with a good payoff and makes for some very creative decks using the Fusion Deck. The key problems with fusions being that they use up too much of your resources going the standard route.

Perhaps we'll see Metamorphosis come back to Semi or Unrestricted with the next April list like Chick came off.
 
At the present moment, I don't feel like reading this whole thread, but I have to say that:

I. Don't. Like. This. List.

There is no reason to ban Pot of Greed. But I mean, whatever. We'll see how the game goes without it. Or at least how slowly it goes. *heavy sigh*
 
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