StephenTheDarkBeing
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Concerning cards with this rule, is it possible to flip summon such cards twice in the same turn, just so long as you leave it face-up at the end of that Main Phase?
"You can flip this card into face-down Defense Position once per turn..."
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masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
Golem Sentry isnt a Spell Speed 2 effect. Ignition Effects must be activated on YOUR turn, during the Appropriate time.
Since you can only change the position of a monster manually during a Main Phase, you can only activate his "return to hand" effect in Main Phase 1 or 2.
His "Once per turn" effect to place himself face-down again, is an Ignition Effect, and can only be activated in a Main Phase of YOUR turn.
Since you can only change the position of a monster manually during a Main Phase, you can only activate his "return to hand" effect in Main Phase 1 or 2.
His "Once per turn" effect to place himself face-down again, is an Ignition Effect, and can only be activated in a Main Phase of YOUR turn.
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
Its no different than with Twin-Headed Behemoth. When it goes to the remove from play, his effect should be reset, but it doesnt, he will still be unable to return to the field when destroyed.anthonyj said:
Even if he is reshuffled back to the deck by Fiber Jar or Exchange of the Spirit, it does not reset his effect.
Some cards are just restricted to prevent abuse.
krazykidpsx
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its called shady rulings.
btw, read Golem Sentry's effect it doesnt state only during YOUR turn, it states Per turn. meaning anytime time per turn.
by sequence of event, im assuming this is a UDE/Konami stated you cannot. But untill it is erated to state, only during YOUR turn, it implies that it can happen anytime.
Remember, this isnt a manual change, atleast the part im refering too. All im talking about is using the creatures effect to put it self face down.
I know and understand this game isnt as clear as Vs. or Magic, but if you noticed, its rediculous to state, once per turn, and then on another card state "Once during YOUR main phase"
Discard does not equal send. and send does not equal discard.
see were im going with this?
and trust me its hard as heck to tell the players at the tournament I do about certain effect.
Heck half the time they think its based on the card as a "You may" but they couldnt be any more often. Analyzing the card is a major issue.
btw, read Golem Sentry's effect it doesnt state only during YOUR turn, it states Per turn. meaning anytime time per turn.
by sequence of event, im assuming this is a UDE/Konami stated you cannot. But untill it is erated to state, only during YOUR turn, it implies that it can happen anytime.
Remember, this isnt a manual change, atleast the part im refering too. All im talking about is using the creatures effect to put it self face down.
I know and understand this game isnt as clear as Vs. or Magic, but if you noticed, its rediculous to state, once per turn, and then on another card state "Once during YOUR main phase"
Discard does not equal send. and send does not equal discard.
see were im going with this?
and trust me its hard as heck to tell the players at the tournament I do about certain effect.
Heck half the time they think its based on the card as a "You may" but they couldnt be any more often. Analyzing the card is a major issue.
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
Since when can you use an Ignition Effect on your opponents turn?
Exiled Force doesn't state that it can only be used on your turn either. How come you havent argued that one as well?
Exiled Force doesn't state that it can only be used on your turn either. How come you havent argued that one as well?
Actually, Strike Ninja is considered a Multi-Trigger effect and not an Ignition effect.krazykidpsx said:
And back on topic... this carld behaves like Stealth Bird, Guardian Sphinx, etc. The wording for Golem Sentry may be different, but that doesn't make it a different effect. I don't see how you could use an effect like that on your opponent's turn.
It is not shady rulings. "Shady" implies dishonesty or trickery. This an effect saying ONLY what it means. If anything, it's one of the few effects that actually means what it says, as opposed to meaning what Konami says. There is no trickery here. One only needs to understand how mechanics and effect interact.krazykidpsx said:
I can't possibly imagine where you would get the notion that Golem Sentry is multi-trigger. I have yet to see a Multi-Trigger Effect that does not say it can be activated on your opponent's turn.
Strike Ninja
You can remove this card from play until the End Phase of this turn by removing from play 2 DARK monsters in your Graveyard. You can use this effect during either player's turn. You can only use this effect once per turn.
A-Team: Trap Disposal Unit
This effect can be used during either player's turn. When your opponent activates a Trap Card, Tribute this face-up card to negate the activation of the Trap Card and destroy it.
Maryokutai
You can only activate this card's effect during your opponent's turn. When your opponent activates a Spell Card, Tribute this face-up card to negate the activation of the Spell Card and destroy it.
It doesn not imply that it can be used during your opponent's turn. The phrase "once per turn" never had anything to do with making an effect multi-trigger. The phrase that makes Multi-Trigger Monsters multi-trigger is the phrase "during you opponent's turn".
Again, the simple statement that it can only be used once per turn has NEVER had anything to do with making an effect Multi-Tigger. By default, monster effects can only be used during your Main Phase unless the effect dicates and allows otherwise. You've switched that rule the other way around.
It may be ridiculous, but it's also irrelevant, to be perfectly honest. There are cards that say "you may only activate this card when your opponent attacks with a monster" and other that say "you may only activate this card when your opponent attacks." But we know they both mean the same thing. One doesn't mean that you can't activate it when your opponent attacks with a Toasted English Muffin.
Yes I do. But your going off in the wrong direction. There are places where wording is inconsistant and there are places where they are not. This is part of a trand that is disturbing me and I see in a lot of questions, lately. We're over interperting the cards nowadays. We're using the excuse "well Konami is never consistant" to rationalize any old train of thought pops into our head, and we simply CANNOT start doing that. There is enough confuson in this game with the cards that actually DON'T make any sense to start redefining the already established rules and rulings that do. We're only going to make thigns worse by doing that.
To put it simply, effects that can be used during your opponent's turn will explicitly say so. The phrase "once per turn" does not imply, nor has it ever implied, that the effect can be used on either player's turn. Once per turn means just what it says: ONCE PER TURN. Neither the phrase nor the abscence of the phrase can imply, or could ever imply, "both player's turns"
krazykidpsx
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okay, so we defined that unless it states "either players turn" the "once per turn" effects can be activated during your stand by? it is your turn.
also, the act of tributing cards can only be done during your turn, in a main phase. [Its why i didnt mention Exiled Force.]
also, the act of tributing cards can only be done during your turn, in a main phase. [Its why i didnt mention Exiled Force.]
Yes, that rightkrazykidpsx said:
By default, yes. But an effect can change that. I can activate Mystik Wok on a monster during my opponent's Battle Step and still tribute the monster.
Oh. Well, he should know what I meant.
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
A-Team: Trap Disposal Unitkrazykidpsx said:
This effect can be used during either player's turn. When your opponent activates a Trap Card, Tribute this face-up card to negate the activation of the Trap Card and destroy it.
krazykidpsx
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that specifically tells you.masterwoo0 said:
Exiled Force doesnt. so by default only during your main phase.
skye i wasnt beign sarcastic.
If it states per turn and it means only during your turn, it would imply that in any of the 6 phases you could use the effect.
Maybe not intentionally, but the statement was indeed a bit sarcastic, seeing as how the game rules/mechanics limit the activation of Spell Speed 1 Monster Iginition Effects to either Main Phase 1 or Main Phase 2 (in MOST cases), so you should already know that you wouldn't be able to activate the effect during the Standby Phase.krazykidpsx said:
krazykidpsx
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then dont you belive the card should state that?skey23 said:
not everybody carries the little starter deck rule book to a tournament. And Konami hasnt released a Comprehensive rule book for us to memorize and quote from constantly.
It may seem sarcastic but im really not, I want to get to the bitter end of this.
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
Not everyone carries a Rulebook around, but if you even have one, you should at least look at it for more than the pretty pictures.
The more you "understand" the game, the more you are able to "see" in the book, and what things actually mean, now.
Nothing has changed in the book from the last time you picked it up, but you start to pay more attention to what you are reading each time you look through it.
It's the only thing we have in Book form that's actually official. It's the next best thing "to" have, if you dont have access to the internet.
The more you "understand" the game, the more you are able to "see" in the book, and what things actually mean, now.
Nothing has changed in the book from the last time you picked it up, but you start to pay more attention to what you are reading each time you look through it.
It's the only thing we have in Book form that's actually official. It's the next best thing "to" have, if you dont have access to the internet.
krazykidpsx
New Member
its not a now thing only.
because some of the text would have to be changing set after set and I know cards that have wierd text. Golem Sentry and another card I belive from TLM have the same effect to return a creature but state the effect only activates during main phase.
because some of the text would have to be changing set after set and I know cards that have wierd text. Golem Sentry and another card I belive from TLM have the same effect to return a creature but state the effect only activates during main phase.
Problem with all this are just vague texts, would people be aware of how to summon from the graveyard BLSodier or CEDragon after they have been properly summoned...
Heck better yet, with their vague text, it is possible to assume that they can be SSummoned from the grave by removing 1 light and 1 dark monster.
I do believe that there are some effects that really don't need clarification because of "stated" rulings.
Heck better yet, with their vague text, it is possible to assume that they can be SSummoned from the grave by removing 1 light and 1 dark monster.
I do believe that there are some effects that really don't need clarification because of "stated" rulings.