9/1 Ban list in Japan

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I run Solemn in most of my decks but it is a very costly and unreliable way to deal with Ben Kei. You would have to either A) negate Ben's summon leaving the possibility of Premature Burial and the pile up of equips and you down half your life points, or B) negate one of the heavier equips like Mage Power or United We Stand still giving up half your life and still having a strong multiple attacker on the field happily pounding away at what is left. Book of Moon was unrivaled at dealing with the pesky Samurai after the load up had already happened and the first attack had been declared (since he was most often back field supported against Sakuretsu with Decree or even Jinzo quick-plays are much more reliable to not get trumped.)

--- Sorry misread your response, yes Solemn is my most relied on universal negator for protecting the back field now.
 
Tkwiget said:
I have my obvious doubts about this list. However, if it was released in Japan already then it's official. The only card I really hate being banned is Ring of Destruction. It wasn't that hard to get around and why bother banning a card that you can obviously bypass? Book of Mooning the target was a nice tactic against Ring of Destrustion.

Sinister Serpent, that's another surprise to me. I didn't think that the little guy would make it on the ban list. Duo I knew would get thrown back on but instead of my prediction of getting The Forceful Sentry back we got Confiscation instead. Which of course was a better choice in some ways. They banned Graceful Charity because of the obvious reasons of what's in Elemental Energy. They have monsters in that set that thrive off discard so I wasn't surprised when I saw that.

Now I kind of see why Book of Moon was limited but I kind of don't. Who cares of your Morphing Jar gets re-used. The only reason it was limited in the first place was because of Mexico at Worlds.

This might have killed Chaos decks to pretty harshly to the point where they'd have to use Chaos Sorcerer, but at least one of the main stream decks are gone. But what's this? In Elemental Energy you still have a new CC deck! This deck will soon come out as "Dark Realms" decks. (Or whatever the translation says.) They thrive off Discard effects. So cards like Rising Energy are going to get abused. I've already have plans to make one of these decks because I know the sheer annoyance that the Dark Realms monsters can dish out. I was hoping Morphing Jar was going to get banned because of it. I'm at least glad that they're self-aware of the fact Card Destruction would see a ton of play in Dark Realms decks. After all, they thrive off Discard costs.

Trust me when I say this, when people find out some of the more sickening combos with Dark Realms monsters, they'll scream for Chaos to come back. Dark Realms is far more suprerior than Chaos EVER will become. I feel kinda sorry for Traditional players. xD
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Dark Realm is over-rated IMO, it is good but it's also very dependant on what you draw and what you don't. Obviously with the Chaos decks going down, Dark Realm decks will be competitve. Thats for sure. But not unbeatable.
 
There arnt that many cards that make you discard now.

Confiscation - oh yea your opponent will pick a dark realm monster with this? nope.

Card Destruction, I dont think youd want to play against somebody with a hand load of monsters that may special summon and make you lose a bunch of stuff in return and in the midst of that make them draw the same amount.

Spirit Reaper, Don Zaloog, Mephist - I dont think youd want to use their Discard effect with these.

the dark realms arnt over rated it just makes you play conservative and not pick at your opponents hand as often.

also the serpent wasnt broken. it was just 1 card hand advantage which most of the time was in the graveyard becuase it triggered effect like TIV, Cybernetic Mag, Lightning Vortex, Tribute to the doom, Raigeki Break, Spiritual Water Art - Aoi, etc.. etc..

as you can see it wasnt broken at all, it wasnt game breaking or winning.
 
I'm sure someone will make Dark Realms one of the more threatening decks out there. Then maybe everyone and their dog will run it until it's a dreadfully over used deck.

Dark Realms aren't over rated right now. You really can't over rate something until you actually test it out. (Don't tell me you've used proxies cause I don't count them....actual card copies only...)

Although I'll prepare against them with cards such as Royal Oppression and possibly Magic Drains to help kill their hand of Spell cards at least and stop the Special Summonings from happening.

They aren't over rated really, but they can prove to be a formitible deck type to play against if the deck was properally themed and harmonized together as a working body. Not some random assortment of cards that some people use and call it a deck. (These people I see all the time and never get past Round 1 in my tournaments or any tournament that I've seen or been in.)
 
hey it takes skill to come up with the next cc. lol

i dunno bottomless cant be activated either. like if they are summoned in beetween chains then you know, you cant really do much but take it and have a Mirror Wall ready for an onslought.
 
Actually, to be honest without actual official text we can't make any solid ruling on them. So I never really bother making rulings on cards I don't know the official text of. Although I can get an idea, I just rather be lazy and wait. I'm just saying there probably will be some rulings on these cards that either make them pretty hard to stop from being summoned or will make their summoning easy to stop. Simply as that really.

Just look at it like this. If Royal Oppression can't negate a summoning of a monster in between chain links, then I really doubt the Dark Realms monsters can get special summoned in the middle of a card that's resolving like Card Destruction. So to be honest, just wait on those rulings until we have more solid text to go off of. Don't bother showing me spoilers, I've seen them already and have been for the past couple months. Really poor wording and grammarically errors like crazy not to mention I've seen some card text completely butchered from their actually meaning and card text cause of the poor translation.

Anyway, to make a deck CC doesn't really take skill. CC decks are merely trends that come and go. Look at Chaos now. It's pretty much going to be the lost trend and something new and fresh will replace that void. To me I think it'll be Ben Kai decks but that's just me. I could post up a more accurate array of cards that I think would benefit us more for being restricted and banned than what Konami and UDE could plan for us.

Since there wouldn't be anyone interested in this list, I'll just not post it cause it would take me a while to actually think what cards are being over used on a tremendous level..
 
It all depends on if the text will have "can" or not. If it doesn't, they'll start a new chain after the current one resolves. At that point you can chain or whatever.
 
That's what I'm thinking too Andrew. I REALLY doubt a monster can be special summoned in the middle of a card being resolved. Even if it was discarded for a Discard Cost of lets say, Dark Core (short name, which is why I'll use it for this example...). You discard Dark Realm - Gold and I'm really doubting that the effect of that monster will activate and resolve before the rest of the card resolves. It will be most likely and most logically after a card fully resolves or rather all Chain Links within the Card Chain to form a new Card Chain. At this point, Bottomless Trap Hole and Royal Oppression would ultimately negate the monster from coming onto the field.

So with that being said, my original assumation of Royal Oppression stopping Dark Realms comes back to the table as a nice card to consider for Side Boards. Most of my ideas are from intensive reading of the crappy translated text. So, the cards most likely will be starting a new chain after the current chain is completed.

Thanks Andrew for pointing that out. =)
 
oi, i mentioned before, that they can in beetween chains and that their effects will not activate if you discard them for payment effects.

no tribe, no jammer, no 7 tools etc...

but again we dont have the official text, and what im seeing so far, if we do get a seperate list, ill be playing but i wont be playing as much as i used to.

seriously, making the game in both areas consistant is what the point is all about.

if im hearing OCG players be able to do that and then TCG players cant, then what the heck are we doing playing this game? or even expecting promos? or anything that has to do with this game.

its getting to the point were every card needs to have individual sets or rulings. heck i think 1 card hase about 50 or so rulings just for it, and it doesnt even cover every possible situation.

IF maybe we got back on track the game could start comming out of its rut and start shining again.

even though chaos is around for more than 1 year, we can live through it, what is this the 3rd or 4th restriction list? and we havent even gotten some of the cards they restricted.

Marshmellon, what the heck? why did that get restricted, its not even worse than Spirit Reaper. reaper is worse than it and it runs rampant.

but the little puff balls gets kicked to the 1 per deck curve.

not kool, its only 1k damage loss, and you can take control of it, and so forth unlike the reaper where you try and control it and it decided its better to suicide.


ENOUGH! of my rampant annoyance of words.

have a nice day fellas :D
 
Am I the only person who's noticed what the DMComet translations actually say, or am I just that out of the loop?

According to the spoiler, the Dark Realm fiends have to be discarded by and "effect", which would mean that Raigeki Break, Lightning Vortex, Tribute to The Doomed, etc. won't trigger their effects, seeing as how they have discard "costs".

Of course, I haven't seen any official English versions of these cards, so my argument might (probably is) in vain.
 
Usually that's a rough translation of a card that can be discarded in general and get their effect. But anyway, no sense dwelling on something that we can't make a solid ruling on. If it's by a card effect I'll be using Card Destruction and Morphing Jar for sure along with some other stuff like Ante. =) I might take 1000 damage but at least I can summon the monster. Which calls of a Draining Shield or two to help bump my life up from the loss.

But if it does so happen you can use them for Discard Costs then wow, talk about some abuse...
 
Tkwiget said:
But if it does so happen you can use them for Discard Costs then wow, talk about some abuse...
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Indeed! I believe that there is some pretty nice support per the Dark Realm fiends in EEN. Some good discard from effect stuff.
 
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Yeah I know and people have been saying The Cheerful Coffin sucks way before Dark Realms ever existed. When in fact in Traditional Format they have a handy use in a Chaos Emperor Dragon OTK deck. o.o

So yeah, we better wait for a line of text this important to be cleared up offically with solid information. =) That way we can tell if it's a broken deck type or not. If it says Discard from your hand to the Graveyard, then man........that means both Discard Cost and Discard Effects. >> Let's pray it's not that because it will soon become one over used deck type then. xD

Forced Requisiton anyone? Boooo yaaaaaa! ! ! ! 8^)
 
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