My friend wanted me to ask this question, since honestly, I'm not even sure myself. How would Exchange of the Spirit work with Penguin Knight in either player's deck?
Exchange of the Spirit & Penguin Knight
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krazykidpsx
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yea thouse sphinx are preaty crazy, considering you have to spend life points to summon the one in the deck.
I actually had an arguement with him on Realms about this (GameRookie also jumped in) and he flat out told me that he (and Konami) know that the JERP (well "fan site" as he called it) ruling is different, but Konami repeatedly told him that the ruling they supplied him with for the TCG is the correct one.
He insisted that in some case Konami corrects the cards when they decide to release them here, and sometimes its the OCG ruling/text that is erroneous. Ok, fair enough... But I still find it very difficult to believe that the JERP wouldn't correct it if that were true. Unfortunately we dont have a direct link to Konami so who knows... Kevin could have lied too, to save face...which is always a possibility in every single ruling discrepancy case.
I definately agree, "swap" is a mechanic for sure... even IF a "send" is implied along with it.
New mechanic or no, it doesn't seem reasonable for it not to include "sending" unless sending now has a mechanic all of its own. Does "swaping" monsters now make "changing control" two diferent mechanics? I highly doubt it.
Wow, maybe I should change my name to troublemaker... I never expected this much!
Personally, I was of the belief originally that it wouldn't work, thinking that swapping the deck/graveyard was in no way a "send" in the game term used, otherwise it would/should trigger other cards, like Fear/Despair, but then another part of my mind just says, "Why wouldn't it? It's going from one place to the other, just not via the normal route. If you take the back roads instead of the main roads, but are going to the same destination, don't you still get there?"
Maybe I should've asked something easy, like Exiled Force vs. End of Anubis! (*ducks under a rock*)
Personally, I was of the belief originally that it wouldn't work, thinking that swapping the deck/graveyard was in no way a "send" in the game term used, otherwise it would/should trigger other cards, like Fear/Despair, but then another part of my mind just says, "Why wouldn't it? It's going from one place to the other, just not via the normal route. If you take the back roads instead of the main roads, but are going to the same destination, don't you still get there?"
Maybe I should've asked something easy, like Exiled Force vs. End of Anubis! (*ducks under a rock*)
BenjaminMS
The Kozaky show
CraniumX said:
that is an easy one indeed Exiled Force vs. The End of Anubis...No matter
Because Exiled Force activates on the field, not in the Graveyard *Hits CraniumX with a Giant Soldier of Stone*
John Danker
Administrator
Digital Jedi said:
After reading this thread that tends to be my mind set as well.
Let's look at Creature Swap (I know that the word swap isn't n the card effect text) and Snatch Steal. Both involve changing control of monsters to a different player. One card is a one way control change, the other monster control is "swapped" or "Exchanged"....yet in both cases control switches and in both cases Remove Brainwashing returns control to the original owner.
I can't help but see Penguin Knight and Exchange of Spirit in the same light. While sent and swapped are two different things they both indeed move Penuin Knight directly from the deck to the graveyard.
Obviously I could be completely wrong here. As has been mentioned we're dealing with a new term, we just don't know how the term is defined as of yet.
I've always hated using dictionaries as a definitive means for decision. I was listening to a radio show the other day about that very thing. On the radio show they talked about the use of the Dictionary as a legal tool and how it's evolved as such. They sited one recent case where a man was given extra time in jail because the wording in a law provided that "The aquisition of illegal narcotics by "use" of a firearm" mandates X amount of added jail time. In this paticular case the man traded a firearm for the narcotics, not used it as a threat of violence to obtain the illegal narcotics. The term "use" was defined by the dictionary as "to employ" The court found that the firearm was indeed employed to aquire the illegal narcotics......you get the drift.
While terminology is paramount in this game, all we can do in may instances is exactly what we're doing right here right now, attempt to reason out as best we can....then make a ruling based on our own thought pattern with the added explination that the ruling we've made isn't definitive, that no official ruling has been made as of yet, and that it may change tomorrow.
BenjaminMS
The Kozaky show
Related to this: a face-up Banisher of the Light on the field vs. Exchange of the Spirit....
Seems to me it would work the same way. There is no issue of unfairness here either since this would hurt both you and your opponent. I can't think of a way that you could prevent Banisher of Light from affecting you, or conversly Exchange of the Spirit.
Big Oldprankster
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BenjaminMS said:
I would say that the cards that are being swapped to the graveyard would still go to the graveyard. Nothing has been sent to the graveyard.
Was this before or after he told everyone that Konami has never heard of the JERP?novastar said:
Well, the JERP does have an "ask and ye shall receive" relationship with Konami. Sinister Serpent wasn't updated as an Ignition effect for a time, yet puppiy acknowledged that it was.novastar said:
So all I have to do is PM him for an answer.
I would see the comparison in a better light if you couldn't use Exchange of the Spirits unless both sides had both a deck and a graveyard.John Danker said:
John Danker
Administrator
I posted the question the the L3 judge's list. The answer is as follows:
The answer to this is "No".
"Sent" is "Sent". "Swap" is not "Sent".
Dan Scheidegger
Jr. Game Designer
Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D
Upper Deck Entertainment
The answer to this is "No".
"Sent" is "Sent". "Swap" is not "Sent".
Dan Scheidegger
Jr. Game Designer
Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG R&D
Upper Deck Entertainment
I'm always mystified by the blunt, explanation-less answers we get from the judges list. I shouldn't be by now, but I always am.
Didn't they "not know" a few hours ago.
Didn't they "not know" a few hours ago.
BenjaminMS
The Kozaky show
Raijinili said:
I completely agree with that... Never seen such a short answer before. Even with words which make it look like: "Which fool came to think of this?"
John Danker
Administrator
I'm just very pleased I recieved such a prompt answer. Think positive!
masterwoo0
NINJA4LIFE
Well, with this short, sweet, answer, we also solve the next problem of whether or not Fear from the Dark, Despair from the Dark, or any other similar effect will trigger when placed in the Graveyard from Exchange of the Spirit.
I like to think that THAT'S a positive thought!!
I like to think that THAT'S a positive thought!!
I'm trying. I'm trying. Speedy and succinct. Yeah.John Danker said:
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And cyptic....I mean...DOH!
Big Oldprankster
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How much longer does the answer have to be. It answers the main question we have been discussing ; swap and sent are not the same thing!
Answered one question , but left others unaswered. For example, is swap a new game term or not? What are the mechanics behind swap and why does it not mean sent? I for one prefer to know the reasons why a thing is and not just know that it is. Looking at the moon at night is not enough to satisfy my desire to see it. I want to go there.Big Oldprankster said: