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So far it looks like my A-Bomb metaphor may end up rather accurate (unlike, nah, best not finish that...:p ).

I can see a lot of confusion at tournaments for the next few weeks (including this weekend since some people will have missed the fact that the changes don't come into effect until Monday). The new LLAB vs Spell Canceller ruling could indeed result in much furrowing of eyebrows and annoyingly makes Spell Canceller more dangerous to the average water deck (since once switched to defence mode it was relatively easy to destroy the next turn).
 
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To be quite honest, the first ruling already catched my eye and let me start to doubt about the hole rulings in the Game:

Desert Sunlight



If you have a face-down Flip Effect monster, you can activate "Desert Sunlight", chain "Book of Moon" targeting your monster even though it is still face-down, and chain another "Desert Sunlight". When the chain resolves, you will flip the monster up, then down, then back up. The Flip Effect activates twice, and they wait to create a new chain after the current one resolves. For example, if the Flip Effect monster is "Morphing Jar", its effect will activate twice in a chain, as Chain Link 1 and Chain Link 2, they resolve in reverse order, and both players will discard and draw 5 cards, then discard and draw 5 cards again.


Yeah, let's activate a targeting effect without a legal target!

Why not screw EVERYTHING up?! o_O

soul :cool:
 
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soulwarrior said:
To be quite honest, the first ruling already catched my eye and let me start to doubt about the hole rulings in the Game:

Desert Sunlight



If you have a face-down Flip Effect monster, you can activate "Desert Sunlight", chain "Book of Moon" targeting your monster even though it is still face-down, and chain another "Desert Sunlight". When the chain resolves, you will flip the monster up, then down, then back up. The Flip Effect activates twice, and they wait to create a new chain after the current one resolves. For example, if the Flip Effect monster is "Morphing Jar", its effect will activate twice in a chain, as Chain Link 1 and Chain Link 2, they resolve in reverse order, and both players will discard and draw 5 cards, then discard and draw 5 cards again.


Yeah, let's activate a targeting effect without a legal target!

Why not screw EVERYTHING up?! o_O

soul :cool:
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I noticed that one too. Theres a burned bald spot where I'm still scratching my head. I'm sticking with Dia's A-bomb theory.

The future is FUBAR.
 
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jpnuar1 said:
Secondly, if Last Turn could be activated in that situation, wouldn't the duel end in a draw at the end of the turn if both monsters are still on the field?
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This is a case where the Card Link system has hypnotized you.

Let me use my Jedi Mind Trick on you.

You did not see "Last Turn". What you really saw was "on the l-a-s-t turn".
 
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Ah, sorry about that. Now if only we could take the autolink from al those Last Turns, and give it to a card like umi, whom the autolink system seems to have forgotten about...

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What clarification is that? Just look for the words "cannot" and "except". Non-nomis do not use these two words together in thier Special Summoning conditions.
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Forgive me if this comment makes your brain implode, but having to pay close enough attention to notice the difference between "...cannot... except..." in a card text, and the exact same text, with the exception of "...can only..." isn't exactly simple......

....especially when I'm having a bad day, intelligence-wize. Yeah, I know that the difference is visible to all who have been fully trained to see the differences, but its all so damn similar, that it makes the learning curve that much more imposing to someone new to the game...

So what I meant was, I hope that they will change "nomi" to a type of monster, along with toon, union, etc... , so it won't be so hard to recognize them anymore, or recognize non-nomi monsters for that as well.....(or do something similar, so it can be easier to tell what is and isn't nomi....)
 
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John Danker said:
<shrug> Six a one half a dozen the other. <smirk> He says nomi, I say spherical orange to red colored acid filled unit.
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See, now that is how nomi monsters should be. Clearly distinguishable from their non nomi counterparts......;)
 
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Oh and guys, if you think of the Game Mechanics behind this new ruling. There's some to support it because the initial position when you manually change never changed so that makes since in a way. =) I like it!

Omg! This makes cards like Swarms of Locusts, Scarabs, Golem Sentry, Stealth Bird, and all life effects but Cyber and Fiber Jar highly abusible! xD Muwhahahhahahha!!! Once again, using Book of Moon on them will help you crush your opponent. Golem Sentry will remove two monsters, Locusts eats two Spell/Trap, Scarabs eats two monsters, and Stealth Bird farts 2000 damage!!

=) Thank you Kevin and Konami!

EDIT: Lol, what I mean by all that is it just makes them even more easier to use!
 
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Um... no.

Let's use "Stealth Bird" for example. You manually flip summon him for the 1000 damage. There you go. You can use the effect of "Stealth Bird" to flip him back face down, but you wouldn't be able to flip summon him again. Go read my post on "Tsukuyomi" to see where some of the new "abuse" can come from. For the monsters you listed who only get their effect when flip-summoned, this ruling will have no bearing on them since you can only flip-summon a monster through a manual change.
 
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Yeah, I jumped the gun. Lol. It's just nice to know that you can save your high attack monster in Main Phase 2 because it has low, yet beatible, defense. Example is Jinzo like already mentioned. Also cuts down on the tribute monsters being Nobleman of Crossout'd by just a little bit.
 
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Now, now, you negative Nellies. Isnt anyone glad for the new rulings and clarification? At least on the revised ruling for Kaibaman, Creator Incarnate, Red Eyes B. Chick, and hand of Nephyths.

At least that little anomoly is taken care of.
 
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Yup... that's all consistant now. And before anyone asks about "Kaiser Sea Horse", "Double Coston" or those kinds of monsters, I would venture to say that they are continuous effects and "conditions" (like the way "Elemental Mistress Doriado"'s effect is considered a "condition" as well so it couldn't be negated if destroyed by say "Dark Ruler Ha Des"). So if you tribute one of them (even face down), you still get to use it as a single tribute or 2 tributes for the Appropriate attributed monster.
 
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No, they need to be face-up as well.

The simple fact that it is Continuous indicates that is required to be face-up. In general effect text is blank while a monster is face-down.

Why is this relevent? Well if you have a BEWD in your Hand and the only monster you have on the field is a face-down Kaiser Seahorse, you cannot determine the proper requirements to Tribute Summon based on that information.

You must have 2 legal tributes prior to declaring a Tribute Summon.
 
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