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they could just do the same thing that happens in magic and in vs and make formats.

Standard/Modern = DB2 and DR2 + sets from Cybernetic Revolution - SOI.
Standard/Modern = DB2 And DR2 + Sets EEN - EOJ. [ when EOJ comes out ]

Extended/Silver = DB1, DB2, DR1, DR2 + SOD - SOI
Extended/Silver = DB1, DB2, DR1, DR2 + ROD - EOJ [When EOJ comes out]

Traditional = Everything.

that would work out as much as people say it wouldnt it would actually work out very well. :)


Try it out sometime, Same Restrictions and everything but with using only thouse perticular sets.
 
krazykidpsx said:
they could just do the same thing that happens in magic and in vs and make formats.

Standard/Modern = DB2 and DR2 + sets from Cybernetic Revolution - SOI.
Standard/Modern = DB2 And DR2 + Sets EEN - EOJ. [ when EOJ comes out ]

Extended/Silver = DB1, DB2, DR1, DR2 + SOD - SOI
Extended/Silver = DB1, DB2, DR1, DR2 + ROD - EOJ [When EOJ comes out]

Traditional = Everything.

that would work out as much as people say it wouldnt it would actually work out very well. :)


Try it out sometime, Same Restrictions and everything but with using only thouse perticular sets.
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The goal is to eliminate the possibility of making a Cookie Cutter Deck. By just limiting sets, you arent taking out the "Cookie Factor", unless you reduce the Ban List from 6 to 3 months as well as limit Sets. Constantly rotating cards on and off keeps players from getting too settled on one constant Deck that may only lose one or two cards every 6 months.
 
I dont know but History of the Duelist + DR3 would preaty much make sure the whole CC deck leaves in general.

the thing isnt how many cards then if the case that Limiting sets in this game isnt going to do anything. It just make you guys belive that all the players are CC and only use 1 deck if restricting sets does this then oviously its the 1. games fault and 2. players fault for not venturing off.

Make tribal decks all you want, they wont work becuase they dont use the best decks anyways. Remember the game has absoltly no payment system. EVERYTHING is free or practically free for that matter.

you can either 1. limit sets or 2. have a 100+ card banned list.

You know how rediculous that is?

when you start venturing off into banning that many cards you basically are playing with just sets.
 
krazykidpsx said:
I dont know but History of the Duelist + DR3 would preaty much make sure the whole CC deck leaves in general.

the thing isnt how many cards then if the case that Limiting sets in this game isnt going to do anything. It just make you guys belive that all the players are CC and only use 1 deck if restricting sets does this then oviously its the 1. games fault and 2. players fault for not venturing off.

Make tribal decks all you want, they wont work becuase they dont use the best decks anyways. Remember the game has absoltly no payment system. EVERYTHING is free or practically free for that matter.

you can either 1. limit sets or 2. have a 100+ card banned list.

You know how rediculous that is?

when you start venturing off into banning that many cards you basically are playing with just sets.
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You realize that you cant Ban every card, don't you?

There virtually would be no difference from the way they do the Ban List know, with the exception that they would be targeting most used cards on a rotating basis. That doesnt mean every card will disappear "at once".

With a 3 month Ban, you can rotate several cards throughout the year, and eventually all cards will see the Ban List at least once, from the List created by the SJC's.
 
Excluding Sangan, my latest reincarnation of Ghandipants uses none of the other cards listed. =) I'm so proud.
 
exactly you said it banned once, why? becuase of over use or becuase of the effect?

are the cards used now trully broken? or is it just that people are annoyed of seeing them?

trust me most of the effects now are ballanced, some remain broken but currently the reason why people are annoyed buy stuff isnt cuase the effect but because it sees constant play... I say get over it.

MSlv 2 will end up in a ban list just cuase it sees heavy play. does that mean MSlv 2, Sasuke Samurai, and Ms Lv 4 Broken? if thats the case then damn i cant think to Imagine how broken Ms lv 6 is.
 
There are some cards that need restriction or banned on that list though. Heavy Storm needs to be banned. We need more themed support cards for other sub-types and other theme Decks like E-Hero for example that have their own mass monster and spell & trap removal. Return from the Different Dimension needs to be restricted. No way you can tell it is not broken. OMG I pay 25 LP and special summon 5 monsters in my open field. HAR HAR HAR. At least Dimension Fusion works for both opponent and you and costs 2000 LP.
 
Return from different dimension only saw play till recently, a while back man nobody went near any of the premium pack cards.
 
It is because the meta. Deko was fine, but now that we got Skelengel and Nobleman of Crossout is at 2, people use it in place of another Deko in order to minimize lost from Crossout. RTTD is used for Chaos Sorcerer and the monsters a D.D. Warrior Lady or D.D. Assailant may get rid of, but more for combo with Chaos Sorcerer. Which in turn means Chaos Sorcerer needs to go as well Return from the Different Dimension. That is just an unfair card for such the payment you make. Imagine it in a Final Frontier Deck or a D.D. themed Deck?
 
Tiso said:
It is because the meta. Deko was fine, but now that we got Skelengel and Nobleman of Crossout is at 2, people use it in place of another Deko in order to minimize lost from Crossout. RTTD is used for Chaos Sorcerer and the monsters a D.D. Warrior Lady or D.D. Assailant may get rid of, but more for combo with Chaos Sorcerer. Which in turn means Chaos Sorcerer needs to go as well Return from the Different Dimension. That is just an unfair card for such the payment you make. Imagine it in a Final Frontier Deck or a D.D. themed Deck?
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I bet you werent saying that a year or so ago.

the cards are far from broken. their ballanced, while yea that RFTDD is cheaper as your life points decrease, again Your life points are decreasing.

how many people were crying about Ring of Destruction beign broken.

card was far from it, if anything it was the reason why this card didnt see play.

If ROD comes back RFTDD will see less play. Trust me when i say that.

the decks are CC because nobody wants to be oroginal with their own deck ideas, instead they all want to bite off each other.
 
That is because a year ago nobody was using Chaos Sorcerer x3. Ring of Destruction is broken. It is game ending and broken. Your opponent draws, BOOM ROD. I win. Thanks for playing loser. Go cry to mommy now har har har. Totally needed to be banned. It was a cheap win. It is the kind of win you jump over the table and beat up the duelist for. I still think RTTD was more powerful than it should be. It only works for your side of the field and the fact you only pay your LP in half. But no one was using anything that needed to come back, so it was not played. It is one thing for a card not played to then finally be played, but it is another thing for a good card not to be restricted yet. Like BraiN Control.
 
you pay 800lp and it can only take away face ups, how broken is that?

Use book of moon, Use Enemy controller, jeez.

complaints, complaints, complaints. thats all i hear from people out of this game. All the time... when call gets banned[if ever] then the shallow grave will see alot more heavy play, then people with cry and complain about how broken that is, so that will get banned and eventually The Grave of Enkindling will be use and like the twisted fate that the Shallow Grave will get it aswell will get banned.

IF the game was nothing but Yellow monsters, then itll be just like Yu-gi-oh were the biggest creature always wins, and in this case itll be Blue Eyes white dragon, and then people will cry and talk about how broken that is, till eventually even blue eyes white dragon will get banned.


Do you see the cycle now? no not yet, lets continue shall we?

so now that it got banned people will run ritual monsters and will dust off the Black Luster Soldier and then people will scream and cry about that, so itll eventually get banned aswell.

well people now only use Dark magician, becuase Summon Skull is far too broken cause its the same attack power and costs only 1 creature to bring out. so SS will get banned as well as all other effect creatures in the game.

::sigh:: i guess we can say that everything except the 100 atk powers and expensive 2500 live in the game.

see how sad that is? no dont see it, then i feel sorry for you. The game it self is trying to get better, we dont know what Cyber Dark Impact will bring to the game, but from the news we all got by now it will introduce a new mechanic, and i bet anything if people are screaming and crying with what we got now, man i cant wait for the mechanic to come out so that konami can quickly turn around give everybody the finger and say, "YOU GUYS ARE WHINEY BRATS GET A LIFE!"

cause seriously... you cant get any more sad than that.

The game has abosolutely no payment system. What can you expect??? come on.

if you dont like the competative scene then dont play in it, dont even get involved in finding information for it. If you dont what should it bother what people play competitavely.

so far right now in magic im making a Tooth and Nail deck, 2 year or so ago it was the thing everybody cryied about, well everybody that didnt know how to play against Tooth and Nail, but shortly after not even a month after you hear about Psychatog, and so people are now playing Tog and Tooth, then you hear about affinity and now you hear about all 3, then you hear about Heartbeat and now there are 4 then you hear about Boros Decks Wins and now you got 5, hey what do you know, there are 5 competative decks, Heck and i know there is more than that.

It maybe the color system, it maybe the payment system, but all i know is that Untill this game gets some kind of payment system all itll be is cheap freebie CC stuff and alot of cry babies.

what can you do about it? not care. :D itll pass by.
 
krazykidpsx said:
the decks are CC because nobody wants to be oroginal with their own deck ideas, instead they all want to bite off each other.
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Then you stop the ability to make Cookie Cutters. You are under the assumption that by changing to a 3 month ban, players will react to the Ban the same way they would if it was still 6 months. The Shallow Grave already gives both players a disadvantage since the monster is summoned face-down. The non-turn player gains more from the deal if he can protect his than the turn player does.

Anyway, there is no way players can ALL pick the same cards over and over if the major cards are gone for 3-6 months at a time. They will pick a few here and there that will be caught under the 100% and 75%, but that would more than likely be around the midway point to the next Ban List (and, because the Ban List would be used from previous SJC's, you never really know which cards at what time, will be Banned). By the time a attempt would be made to create a Cookie Cutter, the next Ban would come out and probably catch some of the cards they are using.

You are not trying to prevent Cookie Cutter Decks with your comments. You are creating road blocks as to why they should be left alone. "Let the players decide." That will never work. They have ALREADY decided, and they say that playing to win means playing a winning deck.

So now, you take the decision out of their hands. Everyone will complain. There will always be something to complain about, even in a idea situation. People are still complaining that they cant use Yata-garasu, and how long has he been Banned?

But the same people that are complaining that there is no originality are mostly the same people fighting any change that may bring it back.

Any system can be worked to an advantage. Even a "payment system". You are proposing nothing more than an alternative no one else will like.

Your idea, my idea, someone else's idea, and 30 more will only make more people complain. As players, we have the power to change the game without being forced. We wont. All we are good at is complaining. The only way to solve a problem is by creating a solution. Not by creating arguments as to why something wont work when you havent seen it applied.
 
krazykidpsx, you are making insane comments on what people should do with their Decks. Why would I want to use Royal Oppression when my opponent can use it? Not to mention, assuming my opponent has enough Special Summonable cards in his/her Deck to begin with. Using Book of Moon and Enemy Controller? People are already using them. The Shallow Grave would not be banned or whatever. It is balanced. So is The Grave of Enkindling.

PEOPLE DO CARE about the competitive scene. I hate that people like you and all the other CC users have taken over the tourney scene. Making this game not what it should have been. Releasing sets is pointless. Everyone uses the same cards as of old. People want to be able to take their own personal creations to a tourney and do as well, but get punished by the CC users.
 
I skimmed through the first few pages and got the jest of what was being talked about.

I've pretty much quit playing this game and focused more on the judging aspect. Until this game vastly improves in original deck lists, I simply don't desire to play a game that's all about racing to the next awesome flavor of the format's season. I blame this a lot on Dark World and how our Advanced Format lists changed. Dark World was made only because of the cartoon show. This didn't really help at all. I've gone so far off the deck building and playing status that I just don't even try any more. I don't copy other people's decks nor do I even build any decks any more. Nothing has interested me for an extremely long time and I doubt that will change for the next couple years. Wow, that's a whole lot of judging.

I've always believed that "A deck is only as good as the player using it." theory and so far it has proven correct every time. There isn't anything fresh in this game anymore. Everything has been discovered to some extent. The main problem now is the continuing abuse of Chaos Sorcerer, Zaborg the Thunder Monarch, and Mobius the Frost Monarch. It probably would have been best to restrict them all; however, that would have been the logical thing to do. We never needed Graceful Charity back anyway as it just fuels too much crap; mainly Pot of Avarice, Mask of Darkness, and Magician of Faith.

I miss the old days back before IOC was released. That was a time of skill. Compare that to what we have to deal with right now and you have a huge gapping difference. They could have made things a little different by not restricting Last Will. Sure, it might combine well with other cards, but the point is it would actually leave that option of an alternative strategy open.

I'll just stick to judging, instead of both playing and judging, until this game vastly improves. That's just how I feel. =/
 
Tiso said:
krazykidpsx, you are making insane comments on what people should do with their Decks. Why would I want to use Royal Oppression when my opponent can use it? Not to mention, assuming my opponent has enough Special Summonable cards in his/her Deck to begin with. Using Book of Moon and Enemy Controller? People are already using them. The Shallow Grave would not be banned or whatever. It is balanced. So is The Grave of Enkindling.

PEOPLE DO CARE about the competitive scene. I hate that people like you and all the other CC users have taken over the tourney scene. Making this game not what it should have been. Releasing sets is pointless. Everyone uses the same cards as of old. People want to be able to take their own personal creations to a tourney and do as well, but get punished by the CC users.
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I hope you realize that what you stated bout me is a fallacy.

Everybody here knows im the LAST person to go CC. and if you want to prove it, check all my deck lists posted on the Advance Forum. Trust me, you got it all wrong.
 
i kind of skimmed the last few pages.
on one hand i'm for the 3 month ban list change and on the other
i'm not. thats mainly because it might see the banning of jinzo
and he's my favorite and possiable best lv6 monster.
the one main i thing i never liked about the game since learn't
about it is priority.
example. player 2's turn he /she summons
mobious the frost monarche.
player 1 respondes with trap hole. but player 2 still gets to destroy up to 2 magic or trap cards.i know why and how this works i just don't think it should.
if a monster is removed from the field imediantly after being summoned in any manner of summoning it shouldn't get ot use it's effect if it has one.
but this wouldn't work due to horn of heaven and
solom judgement which are designed to negate this kind of summoning.
quick question. why and how did this stray so far from the origional topic which was about the quick play spell card
shrink which is a very good card. Well it's good in the games were it's called collapse.
 
jinzo64 said:
quick question why and how did this stray so far from the origional topic which was about the quick play spell card
shrink which is a very good card. Well it's good in the games were it's called collapse.
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It hasnt necessarily "strayed". This current discussion was brought about due to the fact that "Shrink" was won by a Cookie Cutter Deck. Not a Water Deck or a Ojama Deck, but a Cookie Cutter Deck that was probably 1 of 200 (possible exaggeration) that showed up that day.

The guy who just wants to play something he himself created at home doesnt have a chance of winning such a grand card since the dominate theme is "Copy and Conquer".

So, how to solve the problem? Try something radical and different. Which brought us to this point in the discussion.
 
yes i see now.
maybe we should get rid of priority.
the monarches and chaos sorcerer would lose some there impact on the game.
maybe even limit them.
matbe see how the game runs with only one mass field removal card i mean keep lightning vortex and put mirror force on the banned list again but keep dark hole there as well.
for drawing they could put graceful charity back
and replace with pot of greed.
they should change the limit on level limit area b and gravity bind
back to 2 of each instead of one and lower messanger of peace
to 2.
a lot of changes need to made to stop cc decks and get
orriginalaty back into the game.
 
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